WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! 1 down , lot more to go!! Go preach your 9/11 theory to moveon,or Alec Baldwin or any extreme left wing nut . Buh Bye

Yeah, and you can ask Dubya to say hi to Osama(as HE claims he is alive) and his Saudi friends!
I have been "talking" to a bunch of idiots. An obvious waste of time.
Time to move on..

Say hello to Dorothy and Toto for me ok Sonny?

Debate? Rebut? Would I debate someone who believes Elvis is alive and waste my time providing evidence that he isn't? Would I debate a five year old who believes in goblins and waste my time proving they don't exist?

Of course not. That's the level of 9-11 conspiracy theorists they are not worth serious debate. Sorry.

We have really not "debated" anything. I have not had any concrete rebuttals from you about 9/11 on this or any other post. Fine with me if you believe solid scientific and circumstantial evidence is tantamount to "fairy tales"

TT that was my last post on this issue; I have no time to debate fairy tales with you. There are issues of the future to deal with. Thanks.

A bunch of kids from Saudi Arabia, a country with a Royal Family which finances "terrorists" with links to the Bush and Bin Laden families, highjacked airliners which they couldn't fly at all, loaded with jet fuel(low combusting kerosene) and flew them into a few floors of 110 storey buildings, where they blew up, weakening structures and collapsing them into their own footprints.( I just tweaked your post a bit - don't mind do you?)

John, use your common sense if you have any, as you seem to be bereft of it - other REAL experts state that the jet fuel would have largely dispersed on initial impact(s). What would have caused weakening of the steel say...in the basement? The main floors? The fifth floor or the tenth? There was NO FIRE as there was no trickle-down of the fuel. Why were explosions going off everywhere - including the basement and on many floors as attested to by FIREMEN going up and OFFICE WORKERS running down?

Why was Dan Rathers' comment removed from TV: "If you didn't know any better you can almost say those bldgs seemed to have come down like in a demolition with well-placed explosives" (or similar words).

It is, however, your prerogrative to remain in your blanket of ignorance.

TT enough of the incessant conspiracy nonsense it's going nowhere.

A bunch of kids from Saudi Arabia highjacked airliners loaded with jet fuel and flew them into buildings where they exploded weakening structures and collapsing them.

That's it; period end of conversation

A lot of verbiage with no substance Raz. Indeed,using your obviously borrowed words:

"Absurdly, the only focus of the report is to prove that the collapse started, not explain what happened after it started, and why the collapse was total and complete"

This is exactly the crux of the matter - the collapse was total and complete!! Since, according to your post, the NIST cannot explain how the collapse started and why it ended up as total and complete, is there ANYONE that can? The simple reason for posing that question is that the official story is so utterly implausible it borders on the ridiculous. These were not 10 storey bldgs - and with the 47 storey WTC 7, these bldgs became the first 3 steel framed structures to collapse because of fires - that burnt between 3 to 5 floors. In bldg 7, fires were smaller and spread out.

You are questioning the NIST report. Have you ever read the 9/11 commision report? The publics' right to know was stifled by glaring omissions and outright lies. Even Condi Rice, in this, and other inquiries did seem to be having early attacks of alzheimers. Her short term memory in her dealings with her boss and his cohorts seemed to disappear under sworn testimony. Every single time...

Your right , no factual response.
Here are some reasons NIST report was not taken seriously:
“World Trade Center disaster investigators [at NIST] are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers, NCE has learned. Visualisations of collapse mechanisms are routinely used to validate the type of finite element analysis model used by the [NIST] investigators.”
NIST ignores contradictory evidence. Since their original model did not prove their predetermined conclusion they had to fix their data until they get the desired result—building collapse.
NIST’s theory couldn’t be proved with the original data, so they changed the data, which was different from the eyewitness reports and photographic evidence.
“The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this sequence is referred to as the “probable collapse sequence,” although [the investigation] does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached.”
The NIST report is irrelevant if it can’t explain the “structural behavior of the tower” after the collapse began. Absurdly, the only focus of the report is to prove that the collapse started, not explain what happened after it started, and why the collapse was total and complete. NIST can’t even prove convincingly why the collapse began.
It is clear that NIST didn’t even attempt to explain how the towers completely collapsed because they couldn't—they would have to make reference to conservation of momentum, which would completely disprove their entire theory. This is a perfect example for why the NIST report is unscientific and is completely worthless.

Yes, Rane he is an evader. Just like Bush\Cheney and Vietnam!

Yet again no factual response from Raz....

I did not buy the official story.(Initially I did) Look yourself in the mirror before you suggest I am gullible. Seems to me, that no matter what evidence, no matter what information is presented to you, there is automatic denial.(On my NIST article POST as one example) OVERWHELMING evidence suggests that we look elsewhere.

If you think that "my" side of this huge issue are left wing theorists only, and "your" side are scientists and other professionals you are wrong.

Take a look at the following:
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org
http://www.ae911truth.org
http:www.911truth.org
As well as: blacklistednews.com

Why are you so gullible sonny? Do you believe in Santa too?

Obviously the findings have no traction. The report has many flaws and has been dismiised by many. You can continue to believe what you want and continue on you path to "Truth,Justice and the American way" you can also believe you Superman wanting to save then world. All I'm saying is that everybody you presented either had a motive or was connected to some left-wing group. In this case Bill Doyle can make millions in a lawsuit and filed a petition to change the facts in his favor to preceed with the lawsuit.

Same person with an obvious personality disorder? Makes sense anonymous..but I hope it's not one of them that's responding though!!

Raziorizzo and Grayson are the same person

Follow the money trail ............(on your post Raz) If indeed, ALL trails are followed, we will all know the truth. You Raz, can't handle the truth. That is clearly evident in all of your postings(has someone taken you over? The postings are substantially different!) I have read. That Doyle is a lead plaintiff in a trillion dollar lawsuit against the Saudis means nothing. IF it succeeds, and leads to anything - it will reveal the Bush/Saudi/Bin Laden connection and who was really behind 9/11.
Wake up and smell the....Bushes, Raz.

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder why Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine want the report changed to inconclusive, maybe they have millions to gain on the lawsuit?

Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine today filed a petition with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) seeking correction of inaccurate factual statements and analysis in NIST's reports on the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Mr. Doyle is the representative of the largest group of 9/11 families, the Coalition of 9/11 Families*, and lost his own son Joey in the collapse of the twin towers.

Mr. McIlvaine, an outspoken 9/11 truth activist, lost his son Bobby when the World Trade Centers were destroyed.

More on Bill Doyle:
Relentless 9/11 activist Bill Doyle, father of Joey Doyle, set up the first email communication network for 9/11 families, which now connects over 7,000 victim relatives. He is also a co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Secure America and a lead plaintiff in the trillion dollar "Saudi suit"
A trillion dollar lawsuit??? Plus a class action suit with 7,000 victims families?

Follow the money trail ............

So far everybody you mention in regards to 9/11 being an inside job have questionable motive and have been discredited

Now tell me we aren't seeing @ Camp X-ray the likes of such sordid doings as these in the interest of "preventing another 9/11***by whatever means necessary," no matter how crude or disgusting it may be to morals or decency.

***************

Worst. Weblog. Ever.

Grayson: your post should say: "When terrorists attack the Towers it CAN and SHOULD be blamed on Bush!!
Read and weep: One of the many examples of 911 being an INSIDE JOB! You and Raz are as crazy as Bush.

The National Institute for Standards and Technology has been forced to admit that the total free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only means by which the buildings could have come down.

In a recent letter (PDF link) to 9/11 victim's family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states, "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."

A 10,000 page scientific study only offers theories as to how the "collapse initiation" proceeded and fails to address how it was possible for part of a WTC structure to fall through the path of most resistance at freefall speed, completely violating the accepted laws of physics.

In addition, NIST's own studies confirmed that virtually none of the steel in either tower reached temperatures hotter than 500 degrees. The point at which steel weakens is 1000 degrees and melting point is reached at 1,500 degrees, according to NIST itself.
"NIST'S 10,000-page report purports to explain what it calls "collapse initiation" -- the loss of several floors' vertical support," writes Kevin Barrett of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "In order to dream up this preposterous scenario, NIST had to ignore its own tests that showed that virtually none of the steel got hotter than 500 degrees f. It had to claim that somehow the planes took out many core columns, despite the fact that only a direct hit by an engine would have been likely to do so, and that the chances of this happening even once are fairly low. It had to preposterously allege that the plane that nicked the corner of the South Tower took out more core columns than the one that hit the North Tower almost dead center. It had to tweak all the parameters till they screamed bloody murder and say that the steel was far weaker than it actually was, the fire was far hotter than it actually was, the sagging was far greater than it actually was, and so on. And so NIST hallucinated a computer-generated fantasy scenario for "collapse initiation"--the failure of a few floors."

"But how do you get from the failure of a few floors to total collapse at free-fall speed of the entire structure? The short answer: You don't. Anyone with the slightest grasp of the laws of physics understands that even if all of the vertical supports on a few floors somehow failed catastrophically at exactly the same moment--a virtually impossible event, but one necessary to explain why the Towers would come straight down rather than toppling sideways--the top part of the building could not fall THROUGH the still-intact, highly robust lower part of the building, straight through the path of most resistance, just as fast as it would have fallen through thin air."

"Thus total free-fall collapse, even given NIST's ridiculous "initiation" scenario, is utterly impossible. The probability of it happening is exactly equal to the probability of the whole building suddenly falling upward and landing on the moon," concludes Barrett.
NIST have yet to properly address the sudden freefall collapse of WTC Building 7, which imploded on the late afternoon of 9/11 despite not being hit by a jetliner.

In August 2006, NIST promised to scientifically evaluate whether explosive devices could have contributed to the 47-story building's collapse but no answers have been forthcoming.

In August of this year, James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, called for an independent inquiry into NIST's investigation of the collapse of the twin towers.

Quintiere said NIST's conclusions were "questionable", that they failed to follow standard scientific procedures and that their failure to address Building 7 belied the fact that the investigation was incomplete.

I think I am finally starting to understand.

"I couldn't be happier when any nation gives up the desire to have nuclear weapons. To attribute this to Bush is preposterous and typical of your skewed right-wing reactionary talking points." -John

So when bridges fall, hurricanes hit New Orleans, fires burn thousands of acres in California, economy goes down, terrorists attack the towers, these ALL can be blamed on BUSH.

But when 4 nations give up their nuclear ambitions after an aggressive foreign policy by Bush, it is "preposterous" to say Bush caused it?

Be careful, your hypocrisy is showing.

Democrats, "Do as I say, not as I do."

Raziorizzo was making a funny, surely?

I mean no one could REALLY be that...uhhh....blind..deluded...ignorant?

Raziorizzo needs to stop drinking his breakfast.

When that happens I'll point up and say "Look, a flying pig!"

Don't think for second your elected congress is going to impeach anybody. Bush in office is their best shot at victory in 2008, and they're not going to waste that.

Impeach Pelosi first for her incompetance. Then Cheney. Then Bush.

Impeachments , now , God-damnit
now, now, now

Looks like the time to strike Fox News and Bush is now. Let's not waste opportunity, the trump has been played, time to stop him from playing the same suit and switch to the powerful suit in the hand shall we?

huh...you know its weird becasue Iran let the UN inspectors go where ever they wanted to look AND...they stopped trying to get nuclear power about 5 years ago

These true idiots on the right both the Bush administration and bobble heads that serve as their mouthpiece (ie: Faux News, Scarbourough, Beck, talk radio, etc. etc.) are not taking the recent turn of events laying down. No, not these patriots, they are now disregarding the NIE findings, attacking its authors and arguing that all is irrelevant as long as Iran is enriching uranium. Wow, just when you thought these scumbags couldn't get any worse. If the enrichment of Uranium is grouds for political sanctions and possible millitary action then we are going to be a busy little nation building country.

The following countries are known to operate enrichment facilities: Argentina, Brazil, China, France, Germany, India, Iran, Japan, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States. Israel and North Korea are also suspected of having enrichment programs. Belgium, Iran, Italy and Spain hold an investment interest in French facilities.

Preach on you chicken hawks, preach on.

http://www.hyerstandard.com

Apparently, the facts are proving inconvienent for the Bushites and Faux News. Matter of fact, Faux is STILL trying to spin this into a case for war. Is there anyone there who has even a tenative grip on reality? 1/20/2009 can't come soon enough for our Country.