Dunderhead Bill! Why would you have made such a silly statement knowing that there would statistics to dissprove that? According to the Dept. of Veteran Affairs, as many as 131,000 veterans are homeless on any given night. However this figure includes those living in shelters or some other form of housing and does not necessarily mean they are sleeping under bridges. So in a way BOR is making a pretty safe assumption when he says there are not many "sleeping under bridges".

All you have to do is question oreilly's service (or lack of) and hammer on it. Same with hannity, "ben gleck", and even lush rimbaugh; expose their non-service over and over again and their voice becomes inconsequential.

Forget the petition to have O'Reilly apologize. Instead, have a petition to have him fired; to never again be associated with the media. In fact, that's enough for a civil law suit for harassment and misrepresentation of veterans, I mean, is there not a law against the spread of false propaganda? Honestly, there should be. The only force that gave these homeless vets a home, food and clothes were non-media individuals(everyday people); people like us. I am glad to say "TO HELL WITH POLITICS, BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN ALIKE". Just be a good human being.

It is sad that we honor people like O'reilly because they spread fear and hate. He deseves nothing. He is just a mouth piece for the hidden power.

Fuck that bill O'reily eat a dick old man u mothafucka.

ok I think it looks really bad when you have someone on the video who you have labeled as homeless but also has a bluetooth clip in his ear. People do catch on to these things. I am all against FoxNews but if any of these are "staged" or "beefed" up to make the problems seem worst than just stop and show the real thing. It should be enough

I know this is a four month old comment but i felt i should reply, basically the way i saw it was that it stated "we showed" someone probably gave him the bluetooth thing to use while he was there.

My father works at the VA, and hell yes there are homeless vets with no family or job.
Isnt it interesting how Bill loves to yell "support our troops"......i guess he supports them until they get home...

i remember one-time BOR had a talk with someone (cannot remember the interviewee) on his show, avoiding the fact that he would not put his kids into the military for active duty yet has the cajones ($9 million from FOX new network) to slander veterans of the wars they fought in. his own physical demeaner (sagging chin, soft, femenine hands) duly proves that he hasnt lifted a gaddamn finger for his own country, nevermind the BS that comes out of his skull.

Even I can see the how ridiculous FOX and FOX's tushi; BOR, is, no matter what political stand one takes because there is just too much bias, lies and deceit.

It just shows that money does talk, but it's BS most of the time.

Matt. UK.

it appears these vets are better off then what is being put forth. One guy is wearing a nice blue tooth unit. Along with the other guy is wearing a very nice sweater and the other is wearing a nice suit. Hm.. Not many signs of being homeless to me

it looks like these "Vets" who we have no Proof of being VETS other then you say they are and using clips of a news cast to make it appear as if you have a base to stand on. That's like saying every baby is born male 100% of the time 50% of the time. you make everything appear that your right even if you are not.

Smearing Fox because you dont like them is rather childish. Cant you agree to disagree. There is only one station (that is fox news) that is fair and does not seem to be pushing the Liberal media views.

Find something better to do with your time like spending all this time and effort to help research a cure for cancer or something like that that will better the world instead of being a complete waist of time

Way to swing this your way defeat-o-crats..
Bill OReily .. Show me the actual video of Bill O saying their are no homeless vets in America and I will kiss your spineless backside...
All he said is Edwards is using homeless vets as
polictical prop.

What the hell, America needs to improve its GI's Bill of Rights, fox is non existant

This absolutely fabulous!, all the far lefties, anxiously setting in front of their TV for 'the factor', you idiots tell on yourself every time you lay fingers on the keyboard. Get a brain scan.

R. 'Green-wail' is the most patehic individual in this great country. Wise up people.........

Reply to Farrell: Yup, yes, and wee. Actually, most Americans are such cowards that they need O'Reillys to speak for them. They are afraid their boss will find out that they have an opinion, and then the human resources girls will fire them.

What happened to all of the men in the world? They got chickenshit, and afraid to say anything for themselves. Spineless dolts.

At least you don't have a boss. That is by far the best part of being homeless. that, and you can afford to have an opinion.

I've been homeless since 1996, and you can read of my adventures at: rebelforgod.com/diary.html

Discovering Truth makes one incompatible with a dillusional society, so one must keep moving, for no matter how good, productive and beneficial you are, people close doors on you to retain their ignorance of the Truth.

To me, a Home would become an isolated place surrounded by those who refuse to see or hear, so until society is ready for Truth, I must keep moving on, in search of Truthseekers.

O'Reilly's comments are simply fluff to justify the act of closing doors on Truths they're afraid to see, or to protect the Lies they must uphold.

O'Reilly is a prostitute. He has sold his morals, soul and body to the highest bidder. He can't afford to be boring. He will say anything to keep the paycheck coming, if he didn't he would be out of a job.
He may be an expensive Ho, but a Ho none the less. Coulter is in the same business and MSM is the pimp.

This assertion is incorrect.

Bill said that there ARE 200,000 homeless veterans but their plight was not due primarily to the economy as Edwards would have you believe, but like most homeless--their plight is due to drug use and mental illness. Up to 150,000 beds are available each night for homeless vets as are other financial, health, and educational benefits.

But anyway, get the facts on the homeless vets programs and benefits offered through the VA. www1.va.gov

Also take the time to read the transcript posted on foxnews.com from Bill's show.

It would be wise to base your attacks on facts and real events, not lies.

Happy reading.

I used to tune in to you, Bill O'Reilly, but after I saw the lame approach you take to a variety of subjects I recognized what was going on. You have become what is wrong with the new republican party. What seems to be important to you is to throw more non factual junk information our way.

Get this straight Bill, we are Americans first and Republicans second and as an American veteran I resent your comments about the homeless vets. Wake up to reality Bill. You are wrong, and to help save face, the least you can do is to openly have the homeless vets on your show. Hear their side then apologize directly to them on the air. A little respect goes a long way along with the true "Fair and Balanced" approach.

You have turned many of us away with your twisted approach to reality. Hiding behind the screen doesn't cut it Bill. It's easy to get hooked on a simple minded approach to reality but most of us are sharper than you give us credit for.

O'Reilly never said there were no homeless veterans what he did say was that there is no link to that and the economy. If you take the time to watch the full statements made by O'Reilly you will hear what he actually said, and until you do so i don't think you are entitled to an opinion. Especially as this is so far out of context.

Oh, and if you think that our govt. will not use biological weapons on us, then you have failed to read why many religious missionary workes and second language teachers are no longer allowed in many South and Central American countries. They were poisoning and making sick many natives along gold and silver rich dredgeing rivers, then the missionaries would offer them medical care inland, but only if they moved off the river banks. Canada businesses were also involved in that one, so there is little to say good about that government and foriegn aid either.

Sorry for the facts, but fat-arse would kill a puppy and eat it just to have powere and pass it on to her destined to be a fatter arse daughter.

Sorry for telling Raz, earlier on in this conversation, about the bioogical weapons our govt. is afraid of the most, so as to watch him turn around later on this post and use it as if he has finally had an original thought.

Just wait until our govt. uses that on us to make us mad at ????? the next excuse to take our remaining rights.

Just so you don't think I am a prude, I can think of few jobs as fun as flying a planeload of illegal cargo through a dangerous area and getting paid for it by my own govt. Especiall when everytime you hit turbulance you think that you ae a freshman in college at a Sam Kennison party. Rest in piece, Sam.

Yes Fat arse Clinton would, because very well read and educated people with balls, something Raz knows little about(well read I mean), at the University of Wisconsin-madison have made the evidence for it quite clear in our history. World War two had Chuchill removing the protection from the Lusitania, and claiming the German U-Boats sunk her, as they did. But the Germans also warned Americans that they would sink ships that were supplying/transporting military equipment to England(as the Lusitania was). The krauts warned us not to hide behind having civilians on these ships, and directly told us not to have civilians on military supply runs intermixed. The Lusitania sunk, and the American public got mad because some of the civilians that England and US wee hiding behind wee Americans on that ship. This is history.

Now, let's forget Korea, and go to the gulf of Tonkin Resolution another way to dupe Americans into a war, and for most of that war(until the steets were burning) our rihghts were violated to the point of having the National guard shoot people(Kent State and Chicago, etc.).

OK, much like the German government did(the first brown coat, "your with us or aginus"), but I think it was in German, "Dar wulfin oos eider visus or aufweedisein" I can't Sprechen zee duetch, so forgive the tanslation. They burned and attacked the guelog or whatever main government building themselves to convince their fellow krauts into attacking other European nations and scared them into the either vis us or aufwedd...

Either Hillary is the dumbest Kunt on the face of the earth, or she is lying. Take your pick.

Anybody who could get to a library and read history could figure that your own government would sanction this. Didn't mean they did but could. Especially with our press, the most unfree press in the world as I se it.

Another sourec you may want to read, assuming any of you read beyond the MSN distractions created for you by our free to fuck you press, is a book, also done on this campus called the "The Politics of Heroin" or the "Politics of Opium", A truly ballsey book compiled over the past thirty years about the heroin trade controlled by the British and manipulated by our government to the point where the US CIA is the largest importer of heroin to the western world, and has been for 35 plus years.

The information is supported by endless Freedom of Information Requests(FOIA) that prove that the CIA runs more drugs than any organization has ever thought possible. This is also used to start and substantiate unprovoked entry and military expansion in other countries.

Let's make sure that the Noreaga deal in Panama was our first pre-emptive strike into that country because the Japanese were going to expand the canal with their engineering firms rather than ours. Also let's make sure that we ar also aware that Haussnfeffer(another wisconsinite) had his very large State Department airplane(C-130) full of cocaine fall out of the sky. John Kerry cut his political teeth on this back in the mid eities, and many people had to testify before congress with gunny sacks over their heads and voices scrambled so as to hide their CIA identities for being the ones who profited by running plaeloads of cocaine into this country.
Talk about a hell of a sin tax will yah.

There is a book from this university on this very goulog bringing down of those buildings in NY, and it is well supported with information that makes it very clear to a lot of readers that our govt. brought down those buildings, ushered us into this war with that and other lies, and too away our constiutional rights in the process. Not to mention nearly destroying what was left of an already corruption shredded economy prior to Set. 11th.

I am a biology and chemistry major, and I admit I am at best an average student, but if I can read politics as a hoby, why can't you people?

Turn off the media liars and read what people write who are not here to sell you sport tampons and hemerroid cream, before we all have to be raped and cornholed just because people are too lazy to read objective sources.

Your country is under a coup. Again, your country is under a coup lead by your military and a handlful of democrat families and repubelichen families.

If that isn't obvious as hell by now, then why have only two family names been put into office for the past twenty years(clinton/bush). They are the same political family really.

There is overwhelming evidence to support that fat arse could have known about it, if she had only had one less lunch or dinner paid for by foriegnors to destroy this country and sell it to the highest foriegn bidders. It only takes me about five minutes to find this information, which is about the time it takes for a Clinton pig to devour a twenty course meal. Shrubis at leat trim and fit for a drunkard cokehead anyway.

No she was not lying. She, like many people, could never in their wildest imagination as Americans believe that a President would intentionally lie to go to war to create wealth for corporate profiteers and power for his neo-con agenda.

To DJYahtzeek:

For the one-hundreth time: I am not a democrat, and not your definition of a liberal.

I don't gang up on anybody.

Not all liberal sights will let you post like this. this sight is owned by a Jew, so they are more highminded than most of you dullards out there.

Raz is a government or Dyncorp plant, as is Garrison or grayson or whatever his name is.

I gave you the sight that would help you figure this out, but yo uwent to talking about hanging out at the boring and disengenuous re-pubelichen sites. I know where those sights are too, but how many times can you listen to dullards claim they are patriotic because they live down south and need a military contract job just to make a living?

Raz and Grayson do this all day, because they get paid to do it. Figure it out.

Your not a liberatarian like I am, nor are you anything but somebody whose income is dependent on repubelichens.

I take offense to being pigeon holed in your construct of the world.

If I could go over there and make a buck doing enjoyable dangerous work I would. I won't go and guard a freaken tower or gate all day though. It just doesn't fit my personality. And, I can't stand the endless backpatter and brownoser rhoutines the dullards are required to do to keep the job.

Yes, unfortunately "the love you advocate spreading" results in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and a myriad of other horrific sins. Peace brother.

Sorry folks. It might be a little audacious of me posting that last.

I'm not trying to shut this site down (like I had a chance in hell of THAT!) This is an excellent liberal site and I have recommended it to a friend or two (yes, I also have liberal friends).

I'm just interested in spreading the love, if you know what I mean.

Wow! I go away for a day and you guys gang up on Raz. It is to be expected, though. The occasional liberal brave enough to come to some other sites I contriute to gets ganged up on to.

That takes guts. My respect goes out to them. They've inspired me to branch out to sites like this.

Still, I always go back home to get my breath for a day or a week or so.

Raz, Kanuk, RK and especially you Johnnie, you all would be welcome there, too.

http://www.freepowerboards.com/rightwing/

Raz, you can catch your breath and the rest of you can show us you're true to your ideology by taking on a gang yourselves.

There's a little more freedom of format there, making it easier to add stress and better than being stuck with CAPS and ****'s

I'll still be coming here, though. It get's old trading platitudes with like-minded people like we do on conservative sites and you do at liberal sites.

I blog under my regular handle. See ya there.

Everything anyone said after 2001 goes right in the garbage as they would be based on the intentional lies and fake intelligenceof George Bush and Dick Cheney.

No one said Saddam was a good guy; well neither are the scymbags who rule Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt. I don't see anyone invading them.

But you know what Raz. I don't really give two shits what anyone "said". Lots of people say things. What I care about is that Bush and Cheney are the ones that "went to war" based on their intentional lies and fake intelligence. The inspectors were working, Iraq was no threat, there were no Al Qaeda in Iraq; it was all a big lie and Bush and Cheney should in a just world be on trial for their lives in the Hague for their criminal actions and for causing the deaths of 3/4 of a million people.

This country has caused the deaths of millions in this facist war for money, oil and power. But you are never interested in the truth.

Anybody who relies on those old fart propagandists from sickdey minutes for anything is a fool.

How do I know that? Well, they were wrong, but I am also certain that they really did not believe any of it. Their job is to fool idiots that are dumb enough and uneducated enough to fool them.

Like I said, the real threat Unkle Swine is afraid of is the biological one in which every foriegn freak working at a McDonalds can inflict a desease that would take a long time to manifest, yet be contagious, and almost untraceable because of it.

I am actually simplifying it for you, but our food supply to gluttens at Disneyworld in Orlando could find underinsured fools dying an expensive and drawn out death long before they know it. Thank Bush and the other knuckleheads in the democratic wing of the re-pubelichen party for that fault in your security. I did my part to warn them, but I have no credentials to have an idea that this is exactly what they fear, not nuclear or chemical.

The occupation is to steal resources and revitalize our failing economy.

Those people who voted for either of the two parties should be the only people required to pay for the taxes as these fools run this country into the ground.

Raz: I cannot understand why you are so slow on the uptake, so as to not realize that we cannot afford financially to print money to stay in Iraq.

My advice would be to stay away from places like Orlando all together. The new weapons, now within five years from being used, will erase all of you technological gains thusfar, and destroy your economy. Raz needs to know more to do more.

Perhaps your most ridiculous post yet and that's saying allot. We are supposed to go to war based on what a media story says? The reality is Bush lied to you and the world, intentionally, because he is a tyrant and a lunatic and he is immoral. He wants corporate war profiteers to make billions and could care less who dies.

You are quoting the administration's predictions? You have got to be kidding are you writing for a comedy show? They are the biggest liars in the world, they haven't told you the truth about anything and you are telling me what they say is going to happen? Come on Raz even you must see the absurdity in that.

Raz I will not be sucked into a statistical contest reagrding deaths. One death is too many; Iraqi or American. There is no long term peace and stability that will ever come to Iraq while we are there, we are the problem in Iraq and have been since 2003 and you know it.

I'll ne happy to buy you a drink. But before we start our love-fest why don't you take a look at January 2008 In Iraq Raz. ONLY JANUARY!

Now no more of your nonsense about how the surge is working. It’s an abject, complete, disastrous failure.

BAGHDAD -- The street battles between members of a messianic cult and Iraqi troops raged for a second day as the death toll from the fighting in two predominantly Shiite southern cities rose from 50 to at least 68. Iraqi authorities said at least 36 people were reported killed in Basra, Iraq's second largest city, and at least 32 in Nasiriyah, including Iraqi security forces, civilians and gunmen. At least 10 people were reported slain in Nasiriyah Friday. - JANUARY 20, 2008

BAGHDAD -- Nine American soldiers were killed in the first two days of a new American drive to kill al-Qaida in Iraq fighters holed up in districts north of the capital, the U.S. military said Wednesday. [...] Six soldiers were killed and four were wounded Wednesday in a booby-trapped house in Diyala province, where joint U.S.-Iraqi forces were driving through a difficult web of lush palm and citrus groves, farmland and fertile river bottoms. - JANUARY 9, 2008

BAGHDAD, Iraq CNN -- A well-respected Sunni leader who was key in helping reduce violence in his northern Baghdad neighborhood was among at least 15 people killed in three separate suicide bombings Monday, officials said. -JANUARY 7, 2008

And all of the following items were reported on January 6, 2008...

BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber wearing an explosives vest killed nine people and wounded 12 others in Baghdad's central Karrada district, a police official said. Another police source said nine people were killed and 17 wounded.

BAGHDAD - A parked car bomb killed three people and wounded 15 outside a restaurant in the Qahira district in northern Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Twelve bodies were found in various districts across Baghdad on Saturday, police said.

BAGHDAD - Three blasts killed one person and wounded four in Nahda district in central Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb wounded seven people travelling in a minibus in the southern Baghdad district of Doura on Saturday, police said.

MUQDADIYA - Four human heads were found on Saturday in Muqdadiya, 90 km (55 miles) northeast of Baghdad, police and hospital officials said.

DIYALA PROVINCE - One U.S. soldier died after a roadside bomb exploded near his vehicle in Diyala Province on Saturday, the U.S. military said.

BAGHDAD - Gunmen killed Ismail Abbas, the leader of the Awakening Council in Shaab district, outside his home in northern Baghdad, police said.

Have a cold one Raz - you're gonna' pop an artery.

You may want to ask Raz and one other guy on here if they work for the Feds. With regard to one of my neighbors, no amount of logic and fact can keep these people from spewwing non-factual data, and calling it facts after the fact that it was proven non-factual. If you don't like it, they may go Padilla on you. I usually approach and discuss their stupidity when I see one of the four people in my state that still have Bush stickers on their car, and still think our corrupt lying government full of patsey trash like colin powell, were duped by each other. Nope. The failing economy forced them into this occupation. That, and their greed for other people's resources.

If they really believed it, they would go and fight over there. Their hot air alone could be considerred a bio-hazard. If the economy gets any worse, you may not want to eat fast food or any restaraunt food for fear that someone will feed you something that will kill you slowly enough so as to avoid any detection. Blame Raz and the other garrison or whatever his name is for that problem also caused by the repubelichens.

That sort of fear should be considerred real, but the distractions and lies have put us inh a position to not speak of what really scares the government skum in this country: no free money for them to steal, and no place in the world to hide where some good men cannot find them and drag them back to the US to stand trial for treason. Someone should start a website that helps Americans locate english speaking government peole who are now planning to retire and hide. The information may prove useful some day when we want to seize their assets.

Clinton and Gore didn't go to war over the crap they were being fed. As I thought, you aren't man enough to admitt you were wrong, even in the face of this substantive proof. No surprise.

On Clinton's watch he did nothing outrageous about Iraq. On Bush's watch he lied and went to war intentionally to enrich his war profiteer enablers; (look at my post on General Dynamics on the front page today)

I don't care what other countries did; they followed our lies and when they realized they were wrong they pulled out.

DJY and Raz – Looks like you owe us a huge apology. Let’s see if you are man enough to do so.

A new study just released by two nonprofit journalism organizations, the Center For Public Integrity and the Fund For Independence In Journalism has determined objectively and conclusively that the Bush administration and it’s officials made literally hundreds of patently false statements about Iraq and the threat it posed in the two years leading up to the war.

Specifically named were President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.

The study was formulated by reviewing public statements and records as well as information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews. The study made this strong and emphatic indictment,

“They were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses”.

The study reported there were 935 incorrect and misleading statements made from 2001 to 2003. It found that Bush officials stated unequivocally on 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both. Bush made 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. Powell made 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about al-Qaida.

According to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism,

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida. In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003”.

OK DJY - I'll tackle your War And Peace length diatribe. I ask that you read carefully:

1. You say "liberal mind-set that results in high-crime", crime in this country for the most part is a result of the extremely divisive disparity between the haves and have nots, a mandatory component of our repugnant capitalist system which enables corporate greed and dominance as well as racial oppression of minorities and, . . . too many guns. There is no reason anyone needs an assault rifle to protect oneself or hunt and no reason not to have waiting periods. If you look at high-crime areas you will see the results of racial and class oppression. By blaming liberals you confuse cause and effect, which all conservatives do. The progressive way is the answer not the problem.

2. No "party" spit at any Vietnam vets and no one in our "party" (by the way I am not a Democrat) called any US soldiers terrorists, despite how you may choose to twist words. In any event in war there are always strong visceral feelings especially ones that are immoral and based on lies, which both Vietnam and Iraq were. It's also sadly true that Americans also commit atrocities in war and blind defense of the indefensible as in Haditha is repugnant to me. An American life is not worth more than any other persons and our arrogance in suggesting we are superior is the cause of many of our problems. Look at the unbelievable mess that is America today as a result of this arrogance.

3. My country right or wrong is despotic and asinine hyperbole; as confirmed by the Nuremberg tribunals. Were the concentration camp guards right to slaughter millions because they were obeying orders and serving their country? Before you give birth to a co, I am not comparing US soldiers to German soldiers. I am "conceptually" making the point that blind obedience of evil is never right. That's nothing but jingoism. Conscientious objectors and men and women who went to Canada and jail during the Vietnam era are heroes and the greatest shining examples of what America really means.

4. Your unoriginal use of "the blame America first" phrase is wrong. When a child she loves is sick a mother takes action to make him better. If it means a painful procedure, no one accuses the mother of hating the child. America is sick and needs to be made well again. I won't repeat my long list of ills; you know what they are. Listen carefully . . ."Democrats and Progressives love this country and are great patriots and we will save it from despotic neo-con right-wing traitors like Bush, Cheney et al".

5. You talk about a Democratic majority in Congress. You are smarter than that. You know that the Democrats cannot pass legislation that’s veto-proof without a bigger majority, specifically 60 votes in the Senate. So don’t distort.

6. The surge is not working and is an abject failure. 2007 had the highest casualties in the war. But a temporary reduction in violence is no way to judge anything. Those are your benchmarks not the American people’s. First of all there is no political reconciliation, which was always the measurement of the surge; there will be no Shiite and Suni love fest in Iraq. They don’t want a US style so-called democracy; theirs is a different culture and history. But the most important treason the surge has failed is that there is by definition no winning an immoral war of aggression. No country should be encouraged to do what we did, attack a sovereign country that was no threat to us based on lies and then occupy them. What we did caused the deaths of almost a million people and untold suffering. Winning is leaving and saying we are sorry, we wont do this again.

We went to far to benefit the corporate merchants of death that enable Bush and Cheney like Blackwater, Halliburton, Bechtel, Gruman, Ratheon, etc. They are billionaires because of it.

7. FOX is a biased mouthpiece for the right wing and everyone knows it. They are not a news organization; they are spin merchants and war lovers who spread Bush’s message of fear. There are hundreds and hundreds of documented lies, distortions and biased perspectives. One cannot have a debate on this. I defy you to show me anywhere close to that from other reputable media organizations. Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity are despotic evil human beings who preach hate and bigotry. When you watch Link TV you see documentary truthful documentary news that shows the world really what goes on in Gaza and how oppressive the Israeli Zionists are as well as a myriad of other issues we don’t ever see here.

We are on opposite ends of the political spectrum and I sleep well at night knowing that the general philosophy of progressives is based on morality, compassion, justice and equality. Yours on the right is based on greed, selfishness, fear, bigotry and intolerance.

Oh yeah John. I forgot to address your Viet Nam issue in particular.

Viet Nam didn't start in Viet Nam. It started in Korea and was a direct offshoot from policies promoted by JFK and after him, Johnson, who by the way, had own interests in Viet Nam. Here's a taste;

"It is important to remember that the massive U.S. bombing of Vietnam and the Johnson administration's escalation of the war was preceded by reports of an attack on a U.S. destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin off the coast of Vietnam - which years later was finally admitted to be phony.

On Aug. 2 and 4, 1964, the Pentagon claimed that small Vietnamese boats had fired on the USS Maddox and another destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin. Lyndon Johnson used this "attack" as pretext for ramming a resolution through Congress giving him the power and funds to wage war on Vietnam.

Johnson's own papers later revealed it was a fraud, and later Defense Secretary Robert McNamara admitted in the film "Fog of War" that the whole incident had been phony. And now the aggressor USA is gunning for Iran. Some democracy you have here."

Try this;

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timesto...

Oops! Was that a Democrat? This didn't come from that al-Queda outlet, Al-Jazerra.

Don't just talk from your gut. Find some real facts.

Raz;

I hail from Wisconsin, one of the most liberal states in the mid-west. High taxes, high cost of living, liberal mind-set, resulting in high crime, Draconian laws that aren't enforced for the really bad guys, but a plethora of over-crowded prisons, nonetheless.

John E.

"I believe it's fair to respect them and take care of them at that point. Nothing and no one is served by not doing so."

We do have some common beliefs after all, if you are sincere in that. Coming from the party that spat on returning Viet Nam vets and whose leaders consider our current "Patriots In Harm's Way" terrorists, I'll take a little more convincing than this one statement.

As to calling draft dodgers "brave", I think not. There is nothing brave about refusing to serve your country. "MY country right or wrong" has a tacit meaning inherent in our Constitution. It also means we have the ability to change our country's policies to make it right, not to let our country be defeated or watch it die, as appears to be what the "Blame America First" crowd want.

Your side didn't like the war so they voted majorities into congress. What changed? Nothing. Why? Ask your leaders.

Now your leaders are throwing mud at each other in order to be the third corner in the tripod of our governmental system, the President. Are any of them seriously talking about this most important issue? No! Lip service at best. Why? Forget the fact that the surge is working! It's because they know as we do, that we'll have to continue fighting this war, they just don't want to alienate one of their main constituencies, the candy-ass "peace, love and dope" crowd. So the war is "issue non gratis" for the time being. It is amusing to watch Hillary and Edwards try to straddle more fences than they have legs. It's good sound-bytes.

Kanuk25;

"lost touch with reality. They are beyond help and redemption. Their brainwashing and delusional points of view have robbed them of rational thought, common sense and reasoning ability."

You personal insults mean as little to me as mine do to you. Do you not see that I have exactly the same opinion of you?

"One day you will wake up and realize that America is Americas' greatest enemy and will eventually fall on its' own sword."

The above sentiment is only wishful thinking by people who want America dead. Again, thank you for re-enforcing my point about you.

John again;

"You should try educating yourself, why don't you do some reading and maybe watch Link TV or Al Jazeera or the BBC instead of FOX. Maybe you will learn what the world thinks about the Bush administration."

You mean I should start listening to all the foreign America-hatred instead of listening to an outlet who's only real conservative bent is the fact that they allow conservatives, as well as liberals, a fair break in their media. I listen to Alan Colmes as well as Sean Hannity. To see Alan's opinion of Fox, Google it, or have you turned on him too like your party did Lieberman? On Fox, there are no tightly controlled "from the right" segments. Or "from the left" for that matter. There are political analyses of current events from the right as well as from former Clinton speech writers.

As a matter of fact, though I do admit to listening to Fox a lot, when I look for information, I read and listen to everything I can find. That's why I always have a few facts in my posts instead of stale talking points and visceral vitriol I've gotten from you and Kanuk. I've been to Al-Jazeera's web site, and the BBC has always been a favorite outlet for me, for news but especially for it's drama programming. Politically, I find it hard to discern them from ABC, CBS, NBC and MSNBC, Public Television, NYT, ad nauseum, all of which I read, watch and discuss with other people. CNN is my usual first stop when I turn my TV or computer on.

Why look farther? We have more than enough home grown anti-American, tradition-hating sentiment being aired.

I do not despise unions, as they were in the beginning. I despise unions as they are. Do you not realize that the major unions are nothing more than big business themselves and near monopolies at that? That the rich, fat-cat union leaders are milking every penny they can from their members in order make political contributions (to parties of THEIR choice) to maintain their status quo? That they will do the absolute minimum for their members and are constantly in government's pocket (on BOTH sides of the aisle)? That they will say and do anything to maintain their power, up to and including strong-arming and murder? Is it any wonder they gravitate to the Democrat side?

I do not "love" big business, I recognize that business is essential to maintaining an economy. Some got there first. Some are better at it than others. That's life. They also provide jobs which cannot be said if they base in other countries. You cannot continue to blame the Republicans for a (ridiculously over-touted) "failing economy" and at the same time support taxation and policies that force businesses to relocate or hire overseas.

(Off subject, forgive me Johnnie). On a personal note, and recognizing that none of us are the last word in politics, Obama could bear watching. If he were elected, maybe he'll be the "uniter" Bush claimed and failed to be. He certainly appears to be reaching out to the right instead of repeating re-warmed talking points from 2000 and 2004 even though it might alienate the "Hate Republicans" cabal.

Certainly the Dems won't "unite" with the GOP if anyone on our side wins no matter the policies he promotes. The hatred is too ingrained, too thoroughly brainwashed into it's more vocal members. We as a country might, MIGHT, have a shot at survival with an Obama Presidency (not that I intend to vote for him, of course!).

Trying to catch up here, pardon my jumping around. Hope you guys kept up.

DJY I don't claim to speak for the world; I speak for what I have experienced and what I have read. You should try educating yourself, why don't you do some reading and maybe watch Link TV or Al Jazeera or the BBC instead of FOX. Maybe you will learn what the world thinks about the Bush administration.

It's clear you favor big business over the working man and despise unions. What a shame that people like you exist to enable the suffering of others.
You say our tax structure screws big business??? Do you know how laughable that is? Why don't you watch our War On Greed series and see how billionaires pay a 15% tax rate while most Americans pay 35%, or do you also support the millions in tax breaks the Bush administration has handed to the energy companies who are making billions while people can't afford gas anymore. You have now just become ridiculous.

I will be happy to clarify what I meant by "you don't fight for me". If you fought in WWII, that would make you about 85 or 90; you fought for me. If you mean Vietnam; you didn't fight for me. I had no quarrel with the Vietnamese people or reason to attack them or carpet bomb them or napalm them or kill 2 million of them. You didn't fight that war in my name.

I could not be more consistent Raz. I am sorry your cognitive abilities render you incapable of understanding, that I can do nothing about.

Life is about choices. If someone is ORDERED to go do something they believe is immoral, it is a perfectly acceptable option to disobey, not go and accept the consequences of your actions. That is exactly what the brave, courageous men and women did when they went to Canada or jail. The point is not that when they were there they defended themselves; the point is thgey never should have gone in the first place. Some were missguided, young, naive and believed they were doing the right thing. Many other didn't go.

Supporting the troops when they return home with good medical and emotional care has nothing to do with whether they should have gone. I believe it's fair to respect them and take care of them at that point. Nothing and no one is served by not doing so.

John E.

"I assure you that the great majority of the people in this world despise our government's policies and think that we are the greatest threat to world peace today" yeah, yeah, like the great majority Americans favor same-sex marriage.

You speak for the world, now? How condescendingly Democrat of you. Let me assure you, JohnBoy, the vast majority of the people in the world are too busy trying to survive in their countries to give a crap about us. The only people who aren't too busy to hate America live here.

My rambling from topic to topic has been in answer to your many comments piled into single paragraphs. Here's one;

"Do you take issue with my appraisal of the condition we're in? Anything good to say about the disaster that is the Bush economy? How's that 401K doing the last month? Think spending billions and billions of dollars on an unecessary war that has killed almost a million people needlessly has anything to do with it? How's the falling dollar look to you? Trade imbalance? Outsourced jobs?"

One way to answer a whopper like that is to merely ignore the facts and call you names or call you a liar, as you do me. But I like the debate, so I've tried to encompass as much in my posts as I can to keep up with your hatred. By the way, I forgot to address that outsourced jobs comment. There'd be more jobs in America if our tax structure wouldn't keep screwing big business while the union system keeps forcing golden umbrellas for retirees (Ford's problem). Biz will just take their companies to countries that are more equitable in that area or hire people overseas who can't join the unions. So go ahead, tax the rich and feed the union bosses. Sorry for jumping subjects, I hope I didn't lose you.

My friend, I have no idea what that "you never fought for me" crack meant but, someone did or you'd be speaking another language now. And it was a mistake at that. You've never deserved it and get farther away from deserving anything from a real American with each word you type.

Here's an idea! You could join KKKanuk in France if you're so unhappy with America, because no matter who gets elected this year, nothing's going to really change. The only thing that might change is the location of the War on Terror. If a Democrat gets elected, stay out of tall buildings, crowded markets and sports arenas.

Oh, I forgot, you'll be in France. Never mind.

Raz says - "Is it ok for you to hate the gov't and not other countries??"

Why would I hate other countries governments, they aren't invading other countries based on lies, killing thousands, threatening to use nuclear weapons in Iran, destabilizing the world, etc.

However, there are quite a few other countries whose governments I take issue with. Israel, Great Britain, there are quite a few. But none rise to the level of the Bush administration's malfeasance and criminality.

Congratulations for killing human beings in Vietnam. A country you had no business in; another war based on lies and of another example our support for yet another reactionary government in Saigon. 55,000 dead Americans and over 2 million Vietnamese. For what? You want me to thank you for killing people? I thank the brave pacifists and conscientious objectors who stood up and said, "hell no I won't go". I won't go kill people because my government tells me too. They get my thanks and admiration. Not you.

However, . . . any veteran who returns home deserves to be cared for, no matter what. Medically, emotionally and financially. For ever. That's fair. Interesting isn't it that progressives care more for the vets than your supposed friends in the Bush administration who treat veterans like garbage. Or right-wing idiots like Bill O'Reilly who say there are no homeless vets. Or bigger idiots like your friend Raz who said this . . .

"The a couple of people you described as homeless vets had a clean shirt and tie on. That just made me wonder".

By the way, your comment about John Kerry was appropriately despicable. He was a true hero, a man who served and realized he was wrong and had the guts to come home and tell the truth. Like Ron Kovic did and thousands of other vets as represented by Vietnam VetsAgainst The War. You are too blinded by your reactionary ideology to realize that people like John Kerry are the best friends and advocates for veterans today. Maybe some day you will wake up.

Raz I didn't say the American people are not respected overseas. Why do you constantly distort what is being discussed? I said the American government is despised; most people like the average American. Try to pay attention.

As far as your Clinton hating, I can only laugh. Bill Clinton is immensely popular; care to compare his likeability and approval ratings to George and Dick? This country would be fortunate to have Bill Clinton anywhere near the presidency again, or his wife, or any other Democrat for that matter. Any of them will be a huge improvement over what this country and the world has had to suffer through the last seven years.

Tom;

Missed your post and only just now read it. Thank you for your service. If you're not a member, the VFW is always happy to welcome you. They are one of the many gateways to getting what you have coming from Uncle Sam. Many Posts will even pay your first year if you're strapped. Hell, I will. Just let me know.

When you get done calling Republicans names, you can thank me for my service. I was a volunteer and spent beau-coup time in 'Nam myself. I watched guys die, killed a few (no, John E., I didn't kill any women or babies. That would have been John Kerry) and dee-dee'd my ass out after taking a piece of flack in the neck. Stayed with the military until after the Gulf War, where I met my wife, Grace. She's a veteran, too as well as a Life Member of the VFW, as is our daughter. We didn't do it for medals, we didn't do it for money, we did it because we love America.

You want sympathy for having been in 'Nam, go look somewhere else. I've had the nightmares, I've drank too much, I've abused a drug or two, and I've spent a few nights on the street or in jail, myself. But you know what, the help was out there and not that hard to find. That was then and this is now and the help network is still there and better than it ever was. I'm part of it. Why? Because I love America.

Do you? Then get your butt up from that keyboard, find a homeless vet and help him. It's not a Democrat or Republican thing. That's how it works. Not more taxes for government programs because that doesn't work. Not political lip-service because politicians lie and care only for their careers. The only thing that works is real caring and real efforts by real people who love America. Do you fit that catagory?

Smile, it's always great reading what DJY and Raz have to say, especially when they fly from topic to topic in one maniacal post. I am convinced they actually believe what they are saying, just as Bush does. They seem to believe that a genuine belief in reactionary conservative policy makes it true. How sad.

By the way DJY I ASSURE you that you never fought for me unless you fought in WWII. You can take that to the bank.

One more thing just for grins. Raz, saying the world hates America does not mean there are "official government statements" to that effect. We all know that doesn't work that way don't we? However, I assure you that the great majority of the people in this world despise our government's policies and think that we are the greatest threat to world peace today, which is absolutely true. One only has to travel extensively as I have done lately and talk to people to know this. But don't take my word for this, read if you are capable.

In any event, I take great solace in knowing that the American people have finally woken up and soon the extremist, reactionary, neo-con facist lunacy that the right in this country has become will soon be buried for a long, long time. You will cease to exist, just like your imaginary war on terror.

Come November 9th, 2008 we will all remember the prophetic words of Kaiser Sose in "The Usual Suspects". "Poof! They were gone".

In re-reading your last, I realized you might not be American anyway. Maybe wannabe-Canadian was closer to the truth than I thought.

If that's the case, shut the hell up. You've got no say in this.

Kanuk25;

You exonerate me by proving my point, KKKanuk. Ain't been smokin' nothin' either. "Peace, Love and Dope" is your party's mating call, not ours. I hide my Ouzi where I used to hide my dope.

No, Kanuk, Bill O'Reilly emails ME for advice and long-legged Annie is my niece. Silly answer to a silly question.

No my wannabe-Canadian friend, I form my own opinions, most of which I formed either fighting for your right to talk shit about America or from arguing with you America haters.

You, my friend, do not live in a bubble either, any more than I do. We DO live in different countries, though.

You see, I love America whereas you live in a country you hate, with half a population you hate, led by leaders you hate. Why?

Just like you, France has always hated America because we fought for their freedom, too. The French would love your liberal mind-set. All you have to do continue to denounce America and they'll be happy to have you.

http://www.orbitz.com/france

And don't let the door hit you in the ass .......

John

Brother Raz appears to be handling your prejudices just fine, maybe I should bow to his knowledge.....

Nah! I never could shut up.

Just because you refuse to admit Hillary's dishonesty does not make a truthful woman out of her. Maybe we should move on, because apparently your assurances to Raz that "The Democrats do plenty wrong." mean nothing more than; it's OK with you.

401k? Are you seriously suggesting that every criminal who has siphoned off Enron or any other big company was a Republican or that any of it happened ONLY during a Republican administration? Do you think Enron did all the damage after, and only after, Bubba left office? That's as silly as blaming Bush for 9/11. I don't need to Google that to see how foolish it is. My heart goes out to the victims of Enron's perfidy and the perpetrators were punished, at least the Republican ones were.

Our economy is doing everything it always does, it has it's ups and downs. I'll go further and say since our monetary system is based on promises from the Federal Exchange (not gold any more), these constant doomsday proclamations coming from your side do nothing more than erode one of it's greatest (and perhaps it's only) strengths, public confidence. You may be of the opinion I'm an idiot, John, but it doesn't take IQ to see how that works.

We are not the most hated country in the world, John. The greatest haters of America were born and live right here. If the world at large has an opinion about our country, it is amused at our divisive society and the antics of our leaders. We're a comedy of errors. Here's the plot so far, replete with comic pauses;

First, our President drags himself through the mud and then perjures himself under oath to our highest court ..... and we let him stay in office. Then, we allow ourselves and our interests to be repeatedly attacked without a single thing being done until that President needed to take the public eye off his perjury. So he let fly with an ostentatious display of pyrotechnics ......... and missed. Now we have a President who has said, "Enough is enough", and is fighting back and has galvanized at least half of America's citizens into a zeal of Patriotism unheard of since WWII ....... while the other half lets itself get brainwashed into believing America is bad and it's leader is some sort of criminal while their leaders do everything in their power to make sure we lose the war.

Kind of sounds like a Vonnegut plot, don't you think?

If I am dissatisfied with anything, if I hate anything about America, it's how some of it's "progressive" citizens hate it and degrade it as much as they do while they pretend to Patriotism, while they yearn and strive for communism under a cloak of democracy, while they embody every disgusting accusation they make toward anyone who refuses to knuckle down to their PC vision for America.

Was that over the top? I can never tell ...

In getting used to this site, I finally understand the concept of "buried posts". Oh well, bury mine if you need to. I have it archived. I may want to use it again...

WOW!!! I just dropped by this page to view the video, thought this was about homeless vets. Reading the posts however one could easily assume that it's all about cowardly democratic liberals or something to that effect. So many claims about numbers of this or that being incorrect - or that it doesn't matter. Well, conservatives, vets matter. And I'm a democrat. And a vet. And I think we owe them better than they've received whether they've made some mistakes in their lives or not. If any of you right-wing, bombastic blowhards had spent a tour in the jungle with Charlie hiding everywhere you might - just might - make a few mistakes later in life yourself when all of a sudden you're back in the bush and have no idea what's happening around you. Sure, not everyone was bothered by what happened there but some of us WERE!! And O'Reilly sure as heck wasn't there. BTW, he and I are just about the same age, height, weight. I would LOVE to meet him one-on-one sometime. LOVE TO!! We'll see how much he knows about the military and it's training at that point.

I think it's been pretty conclusively proven by now that you accused a presidential candidate of cheating with no proof and nothing to back it up. So we'll move on.

Do you take issue with my appraisal of the condition we're in? Anything good to say about the disaster that is the Bush economy? How's that 401K doing the last month? Think spending billions and billions of dollars on an unecessary war that has killed almost a million people needlessly has anything to do with it? How's the falling dollar look to you? Trade imbalance? Outsourced jobs?

Tell me why 48 million people have no health insurance? Why do millions go hungry? Why are many middle-class families losing their homes?

Things couldn't be much worse under the guidance administration could they? Be honest.

What!

"The only thing immoral is this leftist website and the constant media matters tripe and lies is protrays."

Oh contraire, mon fraire, this is a pretty good liberal web site. It has it's moderates, it has it's radicals, but it's rules are fair and it's people are generally polite and never really abusive like I've seen on other sites, left and right.

Though it appears he would be comfortable at DailyKos or Dem Underground, John E. follows those general rules here. Kudos to him for that.

(Let's not get emotional about this though, JohnieBoy, that's only a little of my innate bigotry and lying nature bubbling up. You know us conservatives .(;O)

John E.

True, in your rush and seeming need to attack Republicans, you've not said much about Democrats either bad or good.

If, by "pull a Sean Hannity" you mean I'm changing the subject, no, I'm not. All I'm doing with my extra comments about Hillary is adding information about the same subject.

As far as "can you read?" I can say the same thing about you. Every claim I make is documented and takes only a search to find.

Proof is for lawyers and lawyers know how to mold it. That's why most politicians were lawyers. By cheating, I mean voter suppression. The 'evidence' is right here on this site, posted by one of your own;

http://cliffschecter.bravenewfilms.org/blog/255...

Ignore it all you want. It's more fact that speaks for itself.

I didn't say that did I? The Democrats do plenty wrong. But not letting you pull a Sean Hannity this time; we're staying on topic. If you are capable.

Once again, if you have any "proof" of Hillary Clinton "cheating" as YOU just accused her of, please provide it now.

I believe he meant Nevada not NC. And, No one mentioned anything about Barack Obama. DJY said this:

"Have you heard how she tried to cheat Obama out of votes in NC?"

Once again, if you have any "proof" of Hillary Clinton "cheating" as YOU just accused her of, please provide it now. Proof.

You claim you haven't seen any facts? LOL Can you read? Clearly you are simply unable to respond to the "facts" I layed out in my last post, which conclusively showed how your President and party has decimated this country and it's people.

So here you go again - let's see you deny or refute this. We are despised by many in the world more than ever before, the economy is in recession, people are losing their homes and jobs by the thousands, there are 48 million with no health insurance, 30 million go hungry, the stock market has crashed, we are spending billions on a war that was immoral and based on lies to start with that has resulted in the deaths of almost a million people, we are less safe as our arrogant foreign policy has only served to embolden and rescruit more extremeists, our education system is in shambles, the environment has been decimated by the Bush administration's pandering and enabling to corporate industrialists who desire profit over all else, the disparity between rich and poor is growing, race relations are dismal, the immigration issues have not been dealt with except by an attempt to demonize Lationos, the Bush administration has privatized almost everything including mercenary armies, . . . and worst of all eviscerated the Constitution, wiretapped, imprisoned illegally and tortured.

That is your legacy.

By the way, Bill Clinton was a great president, have you seen his approval ratings lately? You are just another right-wing a liar when you call him a felon. He was convicted of nothing. When you say he sold intel to the Chinese for money you are also a liar.

By the way don't confuse my anger with rage and hate. I don't hate you, but I am justifiably angry at what you believe, and how policies you support result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. I am also angry that you dare to deny the existence of man made climate change because your doing so puts all of us in danger.

By the way is you have any "proof" of Hillary Clinton "cheating" please provide it now. Proof, not baseless, inciteful, propogands but proof. If you don't provide "proof" we will assume that it was just another lie.

It would take too long to refute me, John, because it can't be done. History can only be re-invented so many times. You can only attack Republicans, you can't defend Democrats because the facts are the facts and they speak for themselves. So far all you've shown me is pure rage and hate as you hatefully call me a hater, lyingly call me a liar. If I had mentioned Sandy Burger, you'd probably have called me a thief, too.

I haven't heard anything from you like real facts, though, just the left's favorite rhetoric and myths.

I'm not complaining about a traffic accident, or a tryst in the Oval Office or a single illegal campaign stratagem, among how many? (Have you heard how she tried to cheat Obama out of votes in NC? There appears to be no honor among you even between you).

No I'm not obsessing about any single wrong or wrongs, I'm pointing out that your side honored with a life of riches and power the man who left the girl to die, that you worship the liar who refused to defend his country and sold American intel to the Chinese for campaign money, and that you would support someone who has been accused of lying herself during the Whitewater scandal, and who will say anything, do anything and use any illegal tactic to get elected.

That, my friend, reveals more about you than my opinion about chicken little reveals about me.

Now go lay by your dish.

DYH, I could easily sit here and refute every one of your distortions, but frankly it would take too long and it's hardly worth it. So just a general comment or two.

Suffice it to say we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum and one only has to look at where we are after eight years of the kind of reactionary, right-wing, neo-con government that you so obviously embrace.

We could not be more worse off. We are despised by many in the world more than ever before, the economy is in recession, people are losing their homes and jobsby the thousands, there are 48 million with no health insurance, 30 million go hungry, the stock market has crashed, we are spending billions on a war that was immoral and based on lies to start with that has resulted in the deaths of almost a million people, we are less safe as our arrogant foreign policy has only served to embolden and rescruit more extremeists, our education system is in shambles, the environment has been decimated by the Bush administration's pandering and enabling to corporate industrialists who desire profit over all else, the disparity between rich and poor is growing, race relations are dismal, the immigration issues have not been dealt with except by an attempt to demonize Lationos, the Bush administration has privatized almost everything including mercenary armies, . . . and worst of all eviscerated the Constitution, wiretapped, imprisoned illegally and tortured. I could go on for hours.

Yet you cry about a traffic accident, one illegal campaign contributor and Bill Clinton who hasn't been president for almost eight years. That about says it all.

P.S. Your comment and I quote . . "Global warming is a sham" probably reveals more about who you really are than anythinmg else you said.

Maybe I'm intellectually challenged, JohnJohn, but my wife is in awe of my intellectual capacity. Now don't succumb to your natural urge to insult my wife, she's not here to defend herself.

The facts are as clear as day, Johnie, any idiot can see them if he'll open his eyes. I'll take your ... points? ... in order

Don't be astounded, John, I'm not lying here, I'm telling truths you won't admit and refuse to believe. The Democrat party has shown every bit as much corruption, criminality, lies and hypocrisy as the GOP. I'm not sticking up for the right, I'm saying your vitriolic hatred of the right is blind and close-minded as it should be aimed also at the left. Our political spectrum needs a complete overhaul, not more Demo Publican one-two punches and certainly not ultimate authority resting with only one party. That way lies despotism no matter which party we're talking about.

A CONVICTED felon is always a felon, even after paying his debt to society. During Clinton's cowardly run to Canada to avoid serving his country, he was indeed a federal fugitive and a felon. The fact that he was pardoned after the war instead of paying his debt means he is technically a pardoned- or ex-felon. Later he certainly WAS convicted of lying to a grand jury, which DOES make him a felon. Convicted, disbarred and held in contempt for his lies. The fact that every Democrat in congress voted not to remove him from office (meaning again, he didn't pay his debt) doesn't expunge his guilt, it only reinforces my belief that the Democrat party glorifies it's criminals.

The right are bigots? No friend. Turn around and look behind you. My Klan reference is gibberish only if you refuse to look at facts.

The "Grand Old Party" was formed for the specific task of battling slavery. Google the Kansas/Nebraska Bill to get the details. Also, those 60 years ago you claim excuses your party, the Jim Crowe laws were in force. It was Republicans who fought against them and Democrats who fought the Republicans. That was also when Robert Byrd started to gain recognition in his party. He wasn't merely a misguided member of the Klan, he held the rank of 'Kleagle', an officer/Attorney and recruiter. He has been documented using the "N" word in public as lately as 2000. He has been called the "Conscience of the Democrat Party", to my mind, for good reason.

Bill Clinton has been called the Democrats' "Consummate Statesmen", again to my mind, for good reason, he's managed to fool half of the people all of the time. In Bubba's Oval Office, the only black person appears to be Betty Currie, his office secretary. The 'racist and bigots' you think comprise the right elevated two black people to positions of great responsibility and power, Condi Rice and Colin Powell. They were attacked by the left in terms that would be considered hate crimes coming from the right. Too, Condi became the first BLACK WOMAN to ever hold her position. The media ignored it. The left responded with racial slurs and cartoons of her as a handkerchief-head black mama. Bigots?

Hsu is also a convicted felon, for just the sort of activities he was accused of in Hillary's campaign, shady hard money donations and laundering, sometimes called "bundling". It is telling that he would be allowed to work for Hillary. Who called him out on it and who is trying to prosecute him make no difference to the illegal nature of the job he was being paid to do for her. It only points more squarely at the perfidy of the Democrat party, as does the callousness Dems showed and continue to show about the Chappaquidic tragedy. Ask 1000 Republicans? Ask a few million Democrats. Ask yourself! You obviously don't care.

Your next paragraph appears to be just hate-filled rants. I refuse to trade personal insults, even when diluted by lumping you in a simplistic, all-inclusive group.

Lumping you all together is something I promised a friend here I wouldn't do so it's hard to continue, but here goes;

Not only are YOU lumping conservatives in one group, you lump all your people in one category with that "Progressives care about ending terrorism not emboldening terrorists ..." paragraph. All I can say is you can't end terrorism by burying your head in the sand which appears to be the Democrat way, or coddling those who would murder you slowly, painfully and with a smile. Global warming is a sham as was the global cooling scare of 40 years ago and the warming scare of 60 years before that. Our schools are teaching our children that it's OK to have sex, but also OK to fail, "Mom and Dad" are somehow wrong and "Mom and Mom" is how it should be. If seniors were such an issue for the left, why did Dems overwhelmingly vote to continue dipping into the Social Security Trust Fund year before last? Government controlled health care? When was the last time you said to yourself "If we only had one more Government program, this problem would be solved" When was the last a Government program solved ANYTHING? Even Hillary is on record for saying that there isn't a Government answer to all our problems.

Your last sentence, "so go on with your tirades about Hsu and Mary Jo as we laugh at you". I won't be going for a while, at least until someone with more oomph than you attacks me and really proves me wrong. Your trite generalities and mean-spirited laughter isn't enough.

Finally, I'll answer a question you posed to Raz. No minorities do not know who supports them. We offer a chance to be proud hard-working Americans, you offer them a chance to be welfare rats.

Through "progressive" (and I still haven't seen real progress) policies, they are being told that they cannot make it on their own efforts, that they are inferior to the white man and need big government to keep them from starvation. As long as "progressive" schools keep promoting ignorance and teen pregnancy, especially among minorities, as long as Uncle Sugar Daddy continues to support them (at the absolute bare minimum of survival), as long as their race-card-playing leaders like Sharpton and Jackson keep lying to them, they will continue to vote Democrat.

Raz your so ridiculous and you know it. The Democratic party is the party of racial equality. That's why 90% of African-American's vote Democratic. Or are you saying they don't know who supports them?

Senator Byrd and his activities were from a long bygone era and you know it and he is one, old, Southerner who has renounced his past. People change or don't you think so? Case in point George Bush changed from a harmless dumbass you wanted to have a beer with to a war criminal that should be in jail.

The Democrats attacks on Clarence Thomas prove they are not racist; it showed that Democrats attack or champion people based on their actions and beliefs not the color of your skin. Thomas was and is a bigot and a reactionary and that's colorless.

You dare mention Reagan and MLK in the same breath? Ask an African-American about Reagan the biggest racist preident we have ever had in the modern era. That comment was as dumb as any you have ever made.

Bush appoints reactionary extremists to offices it has nothing to do with the color of their skin; your position is racist on face value.

You are out of ammo and just babbling now. Just like the GOP candidates.

DJY, sometimes one runs into a reactionary, right-wing extremist whose rhetoric is so full of lies and distortions that it's hardly worth a rebuttal. Congratulations you now fit into that category.

You astoundingly sit there telling lie after lie, like calling the Democrats immoral when the entire country knows and has seen overwhelming proof that the GOP is the party of criminals, lies and hypocrites. You call Bill Clinton an ex-felon; that's a lie he was convicted of nothing. Why do you lie do you think people don't know the truth? No party is more representative of the Klan POV than the right-wing, Democrats are the party of racial equality and justice. Please dont quote gibberish about Democrats and the Klan 60 years ago - that was a different time with different parties and different values. Go try that nonsense on someone who doesn't know the truth - that the right are the rascists and bigots.

Also, in case you haven't noticed my intellectually challenged friend, Hsu is being judged by the Bush justice department and legal system so spare us your nonsense. Clinton isn't president now; although that is all you can talk about. The Mary Jo thing is beyond laughable not because a woman died a billion years ago, but because you actually are moronic enough to think it has anything to do with our dire situation today. Go ask 1,000 repubs if they care about that.

Your kind is the enemy; you and what you believe and your kind are more of a threat to this country than Al Qaida ever was or will be. There is a difference between you and I and you fail miserably when you attempt to compete on any moral playing field. Reactionary bigots usually do. Here's why you will lose in Novemeber and why your political philosophy is headed for the dung heap.

Progressives care about ending terrorism not emboldening terrorists, about fighting disease and poverty worldwide, about rejecting torture, about affordable energy costs, about fighting global warming and developing sensible alternative energy sources, about quality education for our children, about tax and election reform, about keeping religion out of government and our schools, about caring for our senior citizens, about affordable prescription drugs, about providing quality health care for all, about creating good jobs, about protecting social security and medicaid, about sexual equality and homosexual rights, about not enabling corrupt and oppressive governments, about a woman's right to chose and a fair immigration policy, about civil rights for all, about safeguarding the environment and protecting wildlife and about not opting to stimulate corporate profits and malfeasance at the expense of the working class of this country.

You lose on all accounts; so go on with your tirades about Hsu and Mary Jo as we laugh at you.

Johnie, Johnie, your hatred is showing.

There is no moral equivalency because, as I pointed out below, the leaders of your party have already abandoned morality and are trying to legislate it out of the rest of us. Those among you who are indeed good people are mostly silent and generally ignored by the radicals among you, the squeaky wheels who get the politically correct grease. (Truthfully, I see my side the same way).

And we can't prosecute Hsu because his 'friends' (the impeached ex-felon and his bride) helped him leave the country, running from the law. No one cares about it on the Democrat side because illegalities and immoralities are what your leaders build careers on (that and Klan memberships, of course).

Finally, poor, drowned Mary Jo. Not a story then, not a story now? Hardly deserving of life at all, right? So down the memory hole she goes. Your callousness would be shocking if it wasn't expected. 'The Caring Party' huh? And these are the people you seem so gleeful about running our country?

(Sorry Laffer, but this guy deserves it.)

I've seen some comments about the vets in the video having "clean shirts and ties" on. FYI - many of the homeless in our country have full time jobs - the sad fact is these jobs, in many cases, do not pay enough to provide a home. Many of these vets also pay child support - and most are too proud to turn to a family member and "beg" for assistance. Many of these vets use alcohol or drugs to try and suppress their memories of combat so they can sleep. These vets are proud of their service and try to look as clean cut and professional as they can despite their homeless status. Much also has been made of the money spent on services for veterans - it is a drop in the bucket when compared to how much we are spending on the DoD, or servicing our national debt. The amount is comparable to the tax cuts for oil companies who have been raking in record profits of $Billions per quarter - in addition to the regular subsidies they receive. The services for vets (alcohol and drug addiction, mental illness) are there, that is true, but for most vets the labyrinth of red tape - plus the small window of time allowed to take advantage of them, and the lack of information available on them - is sometimes too daunting for a vet who is dealing with PTSD induced drug/alcohol addiction, estrangement from family and friends, and joblessnes/homelessness on top of all that. Job placement programs are a joke in most areas, believe me, I know. This is an issue that should rise above partisan politics and should be addressed as the problem it is - these men and women have put their lives on the line for us, and we should do all we can to help. If that means I'll have to pay an extra $20/yr. in taxes that's OK by me.

Raz, I'm sorry, I have been following this entire discussion and I must interject. What do you mean by "these guys are going up against the republicans"? As though any of the republicans on the ticket are worth any merit. McCain is so moderate (kudos to him) that he's just barely a republican (RHINO is what many in the red states call him). Huckabee, please, come on, a preacher as president? Romney might as well be a Democrat. Thompson, while a true hard-core right winger, will be dropping out after the loss in SC.

So I ask, what republicans are you speaking of that are so awe-inspiring that the thought of not electing them as our next President is simply unfamthomable? Your party is lukewarm at best. Your hard-core, balls to the wall, corrupted agendas end in January 2009.

As a registered Democrat, I'm proud of the field of candidates that we're fielding in this election year. And you, as a republican, should be happy that Clinton is on her way to a nomination (much to my personal dismay). She offers you two things. First, a sheer hatred by the right that will bring your registered voters out in numbers to vote against her. And second, in the rare case that she was to actually win the Presidency, an agenda that leans so far to the right that she almost, but not quite, qualifies as a republican. So with her, either way you win.

Obama is the first great "possibility" that America has seen in generations. He is the only candidate that can break the mold of "old Washington". Even you, as a devout, Great American (I think Sean Hannity uses that phrase, am I right?), would have to appreciate all that he stands for and all that he could potentially bring to the office of President. Listen to him speak. Can you readily not admit that he is like a breath of fresh air in the stale, musty room that is inside the Beltway? And speaking of experience, why does it matter that he has little in Washington? Don't think for a minute that any President of the United States, ever, in this history of this country, has made major decisions without a well-informed, well-educated group of advisors. In fact, I would go out on a limb and say that George W's presidency really would not have been that bad (which, you have to admit, it has been), had it not been for his group of advisors, i.e. Rove, Cheney, Tenet, Wolfowitz, and the other neo-clowns.

Obama has made it clear where he would like to take this country. Back into a position of power and respect within the global arena. Providing all the needed resources here at home to make citizens feel as though they really do matter (as opposed to simply the top 1%). And bringing dignity and honor back into the most powerful office in the US. I have no doubt that he would surround himself with advisors that would help him make it so.

And re-reading your post, I had to chuckle, since when does the republican party stand for change? Is not the republican party about defending the status quo? All's well that end's well? Was it not the Democratic party that brought about such horrible agents of change such as women's sufferage, civil rights, social security, affirmative action, Medicare/Medicade, and creation of the SEC. Can you argue that any of those items are not part of the backbone of what makes this country great? And coincidentally, are many of those items not what we're trying so desperately trying to create in Iraq? Ironic isn't it?

Perhaps you need to take a second or third look at the Democratic party. Maybe think about where you "actually" stand.

Raz who are we going up against, a pre-historic, war loving dinosaur? That's change?

DJY, that's ok that you feel that way; theer is no moral equivalency between what you and I believe.The reality is that after 8 years of the right-wing, reactionary unmitigated disaster that was/is/will be the Bush presidency, your time is over. Odds are there will be a Democratic preident as well as control over both houses of congress and probably two appointments to the Supreme Court.

If Hsu did something illegal go prosecute him, no one cares, no one knows who he is, no one is talking about it and it's totally irrelevent. He has nothing to do with anything. Kopechne wasn't a story then and it isn't a story now, traffic accidents never are. Kennedy isn't running for anything and it's so pathetic and indicative of how little you on the far right have to talk about these days.

Oh wait you do have something, that ancient war-loving despot John McCain just won South Carolina. Better let you go celebrate.

John E.

Oddly enough, we conservatives feel exactly the same way about your communist vision for this country.

Hsu? China? LOL? It appears that selling US technology to foreign interests for campaign monies and funneling illegal monies through poor people to finance a campaign only rates a LOL from you. It was only the Clintons, after all.

And I'd say that the only people LOL-ing about Mary Jo Kopechne any more are liberals ... but of course.

If you aren't careful, I'll be forced to lump you all together.

Thanks for mentioning me in the same breath as the Daily Kos Grayson; I am flattered. You mistake my concern for hate. I don't hate you. It's just that you are the enemey and your vision of this country and the world will not go unchallenged ever, ever again. Those days are over. You and your kind are more dangerous to the potential greatness of America than Bush's fictional terror threat ever was or ever will be. Glad to clarify things for you.

DJ - Norman Hsu? That your big issue? LOL No wonder the GOP is headed for the dung heap of political history. Kopechne scandal? LOL

KOS is a jungle, Grayson, with viscious predators ready to tear a conservative's head off. I only go there when I have a big gun to shoot, like another Clinton/Hsu or Kennedy/Kopechne scandal.

Ever wonder why we never hear about Norman Hsu or any other sign of the Clinton/China connection any more? That's because the only places not trying to get us to forget it are those hateful 'rightie sities' roxie was talking about.

Why if a Republican had been the politician Hsu was working for, we'd never hear the end of it.

"I will not post in this thread again."

And with that, she flounces out of the room.

Oh well, I was done anyway .... :-(

DJYahtzee, thank-you for articulating that you on the right BELIEVE we on the left don't do much deep thinking. I will take that comment as an admission that one of your beliefs as a self-proclaimed member of the right is mistaken.

And also thank-you for remaining respectful and polite. My politics have increasingly moved from the right to the left as I have matured. I am fully aware that there are plenty of people all along the political spectrum who think deeply on issues such as the one brought up by DJKs video. I don't choose who I associate with by their politics, but rather by their intelligence and willingness to question.

And since you brought up deep thinking, I would like to express to you how disgusted I personally am by the mouthpieces who represent the right and their feeding off of uninformed, angry people on the right who don't question or think deeply. Make no mistake here. I am not saying that people on the right don't think deeply; many do, but many, many more do not. And the number that do not is growing because of the hate rant, non-thinking punditry they watch and listen to.

One of the reasons I moved more toward the left is, like or not DJYahtzee, there are less people on the left who get their information from these "Savage" sources.

It's no surprise to me that left-wing talk radio and TV (the kind that just spews loud, rude opinionating, with no substantive discussion) did not do well. The right-wing media LOVED to say this was because there wasn't an audience for it, their implication being that those of us on the left aren't interested in listening to discussions, but the truth is that where there are actual discussions occurring, you will find left-wingers plugged in and listening/watching.

So let's just leave it at that you don't see the problem of homeless vets in quite the same way that I or others on the so-called left see it, or even as many who call themselves conservatives do. That is OK in a healthy, functioning democracy.

And DJYahtzee, no discussion of partisan 'studies' is complete without a thorough look into all the ways the Bush/Cheney administratiuon has misrepresented facts to the American people in order to shove their radical agenda down our throats and the rest of the world. Something most Americans will agree on is that our country is in a terrible mess right now, and we truly must find a way to tap into that which is our greatest strength, that being our unity. Do not extrapolate from that that I mean we should all slap stickers on our family cars that read: "United We Stand." That is just rhetorical BS designed to draw lines between demographics for political purposes. We need to work together to repair the damage and the neglect that our country has heaped on the world over the past few decades, a situation which exploded on 9/11, and which was subsequently manipulated for political purposes by a small group of political radicals who pretend to be conservatives.

Fair enough? And once again, thank-you for remaining polite and respectful. I will not post in this thread again.

Wow, goodgirlroxie, you've obviously thought deeply on this. Thinking is something we on the right believe you on the left don't do much of. Maybe I should proceed with caution here..... ;-)

I am in no way trying to suggest there is no homeless problem among vets. I am trying to say that there is a homeless problem and many are veterans but there is little significance in that fact. There are no greater percentages of homeless vets than, for instance, homeless former boy scouts or homeless ex-waitresses and that those various groups overlap enough to render the simplistic conclusion suggested in the 'study' meaningless.

I am also saying, that this 'study', being released in the beginning of an election year, is a subtle attempt to sway public opinion to a partisan point of view by playing on our natural empathies and sympathies for vets in this divisive time of who does-or-does-not support the vets. It appears to show that veterans have a special weakness due to their experiences and at the same time it appears to pave the way for yet more tax-payer money to be thrown at yet another nanny state program, for an overblown problem that is already being dealt with. I don't know about you, but I've never caught myself thinking "If we only had another government program, all these problems would be solved."

And yes, my putting key words in quotes is meant to be a not-so-subtle attempt to discredit it. Any large assembly of facts, when applied to simple enough numbers, can be used to 'prove' anything, even mutually exclusive points. Poll reporting and ersatz studies are constantly being used to mold public opinion. Meanwhile we don't get the whole story.

Thanks for the percentages, DJYahtzee, so we can begin to better understand the true scope of the problem.

A couple of points:

(1) While I am grateful that 96.4% of vets have homes, that percentage does not diminish in any way the seriousness of the problem. 200,000 documented homeless vets is a shameful national travesty. But let's examine that percentage, instead of just throwing it out there. That percentage does not take into account those vets experiencing serious emotional/psychological/physical trauma who will leave the comfort and safety of their homes later on down the road, as they become increasingly unable to readjust to a normal life, due to the quiet progression of their post-war conditions, because they are not being attended to medically and psychiatrically to the extent that they require and deserve. It also does not count vets whose families CLAIM they are living under their roofs, out of embarrassment and misplaced pride, but what is really going on is that the vet lives out in the woods (or under a bridge) somewhere and makes periodic visits with his family/loved ones.

(2) Re the reference to "the promises of a politician from either side of the aisle:" Our politicians owe it to the people of our country to address the problems of vets when they return from serving our country. Some have been doing it with rhetoric, by making speeches in which they repeat the mantra "Support the Troops." Some of those who are actively running for office bring it up on the campaign trail as a way to highlight one of the gross shortcomings of the current team of civilian leaders in the White House and in the Pentagon. Both of these forms of political expression can be judged individually by ourselves, possibly even on their actual merit. However, our returning war vets should not be left to the generosity, caring, and indefatigable efforts of individual cities, towns, communities, and people. The government ordered them to go to war; the government owes them 100% attention post-war, especially in light of the fact that the government expected 100% devotion and duty from them in their military service.

(3) Why reference the study in quotations? Is that to bring special attention to it, to indicate its title, or is that a subtle way to discredit it? My questions are not entirely rhetorical, as I always try to make room for potentially legitimate explanations.

Once again, DJK, thank-you for bringing to the attention of more people the seriousness of this problem, through the medium of film.

Good comment, Raziorizzo, good questions. Good answers goodgirlroxie, I like your style.

For me, I've already had this conversation here. I get so tired of the-sky-is-falling results coming out of raw data manipulated by one partisan 'study group' or another. Can no one see this for what it is, a created 'issue' to sway the public generally toward a more 'entitlement' point of view, in preparation for the 2008 elections?

Does this 'study' which appears to manipulate raw data from the VA, mention that on any given night, there are 25,000,000 veterans? That means 96.4% of us have homes. As a veteran of two wars and a life member of the VFW, I have a particular interest in these matters and I'm telling you it's not the problem it's being made out to be.

Certainly it's a problem, but it's being dealt with. Even one homeless vet pisses me off, but Google "homeless vets" and you'll see there are a plethora of official and unofficial non-profit, federal and private, local and national organizations whose sole purpose is to deal with homeless vets and vets with substance abuse problems (one great contributor to their homeless status).

We are fortunate enough to live in a country that recognizes these problems and this country is populated by the most generous and caring people in the world. We are dealing with the problem in the only way we know, by the bottomless generosity and indefatigable efforts of real Americans, not by the promises of a politician from either side of the aisle.

Acknowledgement and overview of homelessness among vets from the Veteran Administration -- are they lieing too BOR?

"Overview of Homelessness


About one-third of the adult homeless population have served their country in the Armed Services. Current population estimates suggest that about 195,000 veterans (male and female) are homeless on any given night and perhaps twice as many experience homelessness at some point during the course of a year. Many other veterans are considered near homeless or at risk because of their poverty, lack of support from family and friends, and dismal living conditions in cheap hotels or in overcrowded or substandard housing.

Right now, the number of homeless male and female Vietnam era veterans is greater than the number of service persons who died during that war -- and a small number of Desert Storm veterans are also appearing in the homeless population. Atlthough many homeless veterans served in combat in Vietnam and suffer from PTSD, at this time, epidemiologic studies do not suggest that there is a causal connection between military service, service in Vietnam, or exposure to combat and homelessness among veterans. Family background, access to support from family and friends, and various personal characteristics (rather than military service) seem to be the stronger indicators of risk of homelessness.

Almost all homeless veterans are male (about three percent are women), the vast majority are single, and most come from poor, disadvantaged backgrounds. Homeless veterans tend to be older and more educated than homeless non-veterans. But similar to the general population of homeless adult males, about 45% of homeless veterans suffer from mental illness and (with considerable overlap) slightly more than 70% suffer from alcohol or other drug abuse problems. Roughly 56% are African American or Hispanic." (http://www1.va.gov/homeless/page.cfm?pg=1)

Sorry for a second post, but I just read Raziorizzo's post below and have to respond. Many towns/cities care for their homeless populations. To a casual passerby, most of our homeless, impoverished, and otherwise at-risk citizens are not noticable. We provide them with food. We provide them with clean, decent clothing. We work with them to get off the streets. We provide them with overnight and, in some cases, daytime shelter when it is absolutely necessary and we have the space. We treat them with respect.

If they wear dirty, ragged clothing, then it is because they are mentally/emotionally ill to the extent that they do not want to be given better clothing. Even in those cases, however, we have individual citizens who take it upon themselves to help those individuals out.

I am not saying that my town's treatment of our homeless, which is to a very large extent comprised of Vietnam vets, is perfect. I just want Raziorizzo to know that his observations may be correct, but his conclusions likely are not.

I'm going to guess that the filmmaker, DJK, rather than walking around cities in their most crime-infested and dangerous areas, chose to visit temporary homeless shelters and free clinics to videotape homeless vets. If this is the case, then he videotaped homeless vets who are under the care of social outreach groups that provide homeless vets with the essentials that allow them to feel somewhat dignified.

Clean, decent clothing is not an indication that the wearer is capable of gainful employment. It often masks either an unnurtured or destroyed capability to cope with normal life.

Good job, DJK! Namaste.

Very good job with the film! I will not be signing the petition, because I refuse to have any contact whatsoever with O'Reilly. I'd prefer to make him invisible.

The Listening House in St. Paul, MN provides day shelter and clean clothing to the homeless, On any day, they have approximately 200 people in their shelter area, but the do not provide overnight space. Typically 40% of their clients are veterans, mostly men, a few women.

Raziorizzo asks "Where are these guys families?" As a Viet Nam veteran my self, I can answer that in many case, yes the families have abandoned them. After the horrors of combat, most families do not know how to deal with their returning sons and daughters. To be fair, most veterans do not get the help re-adjusting to civilian life after combat, and therefore don't know how to deal with their families either. Alcholism, homelessness and suicide are all higher amoung veterans than the in the general population. Raziorizzo, if you haven't been there, you cannot begin to imagine the demons that follow combat veterans the rest of their lives. It's been 39 years since I returned from Viet Nam and there isn't a day in my life when I don't think about it. But for the love of an incredible wife, I'm certain I would be on the street with the others. My brothers and sisters have completely turned their backs, as my fathers family did to my uncle after he returned from WWII.

Most veterans that end up homeless have authority issues, and distrust the government because of their military experiences. Most homeless veterans will not seek the help if it comes from government agencies. Most deal with PTSD.

BOR is completely ignorant to the plight of homeless veterans, but he is in a position to do great work for them if he would open his eyes and recognize that they do indeed exist.

Outstanding journalism DJK. BOR could learn a great deal from you but he won't. Why? Because he has an agenda and there's no room for the truth in it.