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Posted by DJK on January 14th, 2009
Kerry Expresses Concerns About Afghanistan, Compares Situation to Vietnam

Thanks to our great friends and allies at Get Afghanistan Right, it seems like a real discussion about the wisdom of military escalation in Afghanistan is finally underway. And this discussion isn’t just on progressive blogs and the anti-war left — it’s in the halls of power, where the final decisions will be made. During Hillary Clinton’s confirmation hearing for secretary of state (transcript here), John Kerry voiced his concerns:

KERRY: Let me begin with Afghanistan, if I may. I am deeply concerned that, at least thus far, our policy in Afghanistan has kind of been on automatic. And I made a promise to myself a long time ago that I would not see all of our conflicts, ground operations in the context of Vietnam. I really try hard. I have an automatic check that says, you know, not everything is that.

But I have to tell you, in the several visits I have now made, escape it as I might, the parallels just really keep leaping out in so many different ways. –snip-

Our original goal was to go in there and take on Al Qaeda. It was to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. It was not to adopt the 51st state of the United States. It was not to try to impose a form of government, no matter how much we believe in it and support it, but that is — that is the mission, at least, as it is being defined today.

Clinton agreed that Kerry’s concerns were well founded, and added this:

CLINTON: Sitting here today, when I think about my trips to Afghanistan, my flying over that terrain, my awareness of the history going back to Alexander the Great and, certainly, the imperial British military and Rudyard Kipling’s memorable poems about Afghanistan, the Soviet Union, which put in more troops than we’re thinking about putting in — I mean, it calls for a large dose of humility about what it is we are trying to accomplish.

Humility in American foreign policy? Leaders who learn from historical precedents? Now that’s some change we — and the rest of the world — can believe in.

  • Why is it that every issue that's discussed has to be hijacked by the back and forth of nonsense. It's almost as if the real discussions that need to take place between us can't happen, because it is trivialized by posturing on either side looking like it is almost by design. All over the media, the same thing is happening. Why aren't we getting more information that's relevant, and not just talking heads talking silly gossip? Even in this clip by Kerry, the truth is barely touched on, as all agrees to muddle on in the status quo. I loved the site of Voices in the Wilderness and their last paragraph on the myths surrounding why we are in the Middle East. It should be required reading for all thinking Americans. I barely had ever even heard this group mentioned before I stumbled on it looking for the truth about the spending on defense in this U.S.A. I figured they were just another deep ender fringe thing. After reading their site, it became crystal clear to me what has happened. The NYT's columnist talked about the public feeling punked by Obama. We have all been punked a very long time. Look up the site www.whatreallyhappened.com. It was a real eye opener, with all of the evidence right there on the site. I am amazed and heart broken for my country.
  • The Truth
    You away knat. You are just a speck of human garbage. Someone like you that embraces hatred of Jews, is a supporter of dictators and terrorists is pure garbage.
  • The Truth
    Again. Careful asshole.
  • The Truth
    Careful asshole.
  • The Truth
    I understand that you have been humiliated on every single political issue. Gaza, Iran, every single one. So you are now attempting to lie. Nothing new, thats what Nazis do.
  • The Truth
    Really? I am 45 moron. You are incredibly vapid and stupid.
  • The Truth
    Nazi stalkers always concern me asshole yes. Now go abuse your child some more.
  • The Truth
    You are a stalker scumbag. I don't lie about a thing. I understand that being exposed as a nazi apologist and anti-semite who teaches his child to be violent disturbs you -- nice try asshole.
  • The Truth
    That wouldn't be me genius researcher and stalker and there is no income on the web -- god you are a child. Looking up men on the internet does the wife know?

    Good luck tonght - I hope the constable doesn't catch you in the hangar.
  • The Truth
    If you lay off the bottle and try to do a few more oil changes a day maybe your boss will up your salary to 25 quid a day and you can get your family into a row house at least a place with heat.
  • The Truth
    I see - so your family squats in a railroad station and a deserted old airport hangar? That's rather sad. Sorry chap.
  • The Truth
    No you havent seen my home. If you have you wouldnt be uttering such idiocy. You live in a hangar? LOLOLOL Thats tough! Poor guy.
  • The Truth
    Smile Right Sipple. I guess I will bemoan that I am sitting here watching the rain move in over the Pacific from my beach house. I own two successful businesses - I understand being a grease monkey auto mechanic in a small village in scotland with a violent daughter that throws things at an embassy must be humiliating.

    Sorry chap - go back to the bottle.
  • The Truth
    Not even worthy of a discussion. History is clear. The UK was not able to defend itself against Hitler - the US saved the world with its economic and military might and bravery of its people.

    (unlike lets say the cowardly anti-semitic French. Care to read about the Vichy?
  • The Truth
    Bleed Britain dry? LOL and why would we do that? You truly are ungrateful scum aren't you. Do you know how many brave kids died fighting for you? But then again -- you wanted the Nazis to win didn't you?
  • The Truth
    Bush and the neocons overreacted to Al Qaeda's attack on 9-11. They were wrong, they lied, they are gone. That is the beauty of democracy. Bush is not a story anymore nor are the things he did.
  • The Truth
    As I said - the CIA takes orders from the President. Obama has already closed Gitmo, ended renditions and closed secret prisons.
  • The Truth
    Yes that was horrible - but Bush and neocons are gone and that's not news anymore.
  • The Truth
    The US Constitution is the gold standard for all democracies. You know this. Smile. You're on such thin ice Nazi scumbag.
  • The Truth
    Typical ungrateful UK scumbag -- who doesn't acknowledge that were it not for Lend-Lease, the US Intelligence services and the blood of US soldiers he would be speaking German right now.
  • The Truth
    Gee, copying and pasting unsubstantiated "old" news that ended 16 years ago??? LOL You embarass even yourself this time.
  • The Truth
    But one example of the great work the CIA does that morons like you don't know about.

    January 22, 2009 09:16 AM EST | AP

    GENEVA — A Swiss man suspected of involvement in the world's biggest nuclear smuggling ring claims he supplied the CIA with information that led to the breakup of the black market network led by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.

    In a documentary scheduled to air Thursday evening on Swiss TV station SF1, Urs Tinner says he tipped off U.S. intelligence about a delivery of centrifuge parts meant for Libya's nuclear weapons program.

    The shipment was seized at the Italian port of Taranto in 2003, forcing Libya to admit and eventually renounce its efforts to acquire nuclear weapons.
  • The Truth
    Correct -- CNN had cameras in London - Paris - Moscow and other cities in a split screen. There were thousands and thousands watching huge screens, tens of millions overall.
  • The Truth
    Wonder why every party in the Middle East is now looking to the US for leadership? Why this election was so monumental worldwide? Why Europe came to a halt to watch election results?

    That because the US is the most admired democracy in the world. Your envy is rather pathetic.
  • The Truth
    Correct Kanuk. America and Israel are inherently decent, moral democracies and beacons of freedom. They like all free countries elect the wrong leaders once in a while -- that's what democracy is all about -- but they correct themselves.
  • The Truth
    You are stupid and don't read well, we know that, so I will answer again.

    Israel pulled out because the job was done. They destroyed almost all of Hama's rockets sites and killed many terrorists who will never again attack innocent Israeli civilians. They also sent a stern warning to Hamas not to launch rockets against Israel again.

    Lebanon was a victory as well -- ddid you see Hezbollah joining their terrorist brothers in Hamas? No. You know why? Because they were taught a lesson in Lebanon.

    Go it now? That is what they achieved.
  • The Truth
    Can't deal with The Truth can you? As I predicted -- all your videos and irrelevant screaming was meaningless. As were the protests. Israel did what they needed to do and listened to no one. I understand your frustration -- you're a nothing in a nothing country that no one listens to.

    Hamas will think twice before attacking Israel again thanks to a resounding victory. The IDF proved once again why they are one of the great military forces in the world -- and of course being right and morally justified as one fights against terrorism and for freedom and democracy makes it all worth it.
  • The Truth
    The only apology needs to be forthcoming from Hamas for their terrorists rocket attacks and for being comlicit in the deaths of Gazan civilians whose houses and mosques they hid in and launched their attacks from. Hamas is responsible for every single death.

    Again, in context, the lives of Gazan civilians who elected Hamas, allowed them to hide in their homes and mosques, support terrorism --- are not equl to innocent Israeli civilians living in towns peacefully who suffer from lethal Hamas rocket attacks.

    The German and Japanese people werfe not innoc ent either.
  • The Truth
    Olmert is sorry for civilian deaths because any decent human being would be, no one likes or chooses such a course. This is what the Jewish culture is all about, intellect, respect for others and I would expect nothing else from a Jewish leader. Of course, one has never heard similar words from a terrorist group like Hamas or Al Qaeda -- because they are not sorry -- their goal is to kill Jewish civilians.

    The IDF never retreated, they left when the job was done. Israel won a resounding victory -- and here is why.

    Hamas will think long and hard the next time they are going to launch rockets at innocent Israeli civlians. They were taught a lesson. If they do it again -- guess what will happen?

    Do you think anyone cares what someone is called at a press club? Pretty stupid comment on your part. There are anti-semies everywhere -- no surprise.

    As I told you -- Israel didn't listen to you -- demonstrators -- or anyone. They finished the job. Get it now?
  • The Truth
    Hamas is a terrorist organization and I don't care who voted for them. As a matter of fact that makes Gazans complicit. You don't get it do yo. Terrorism will not be tolerated. Period.

    What Chiquita did or didn't do is not relevant to what Chavez does. Your example Chiquita is not a government. If someone broke the law - prosecute them.

    FARC is a terrorist group.
  • The Truth
    Are you completely insane? Hamas and Hezbollah have publicly admitted they are receiving arms from Iran and Venezuela has been supporting FARC in Columbia.

    The US does not fund right wing death squads - that was decades ago and like everything from the past has nothing to do with this administration today.

    You are a fool.
  • The Truth
    Wasn't surreal at all and it wasn't like Bush at all. Here are his exact words:

    "We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you".

    Got it now? A clear message to terrorists like Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood and those that support terrorism like Iran and Venezuela. It won't be tolerated.

    The choice is theirs -- an olive branch has been extended. It's their choice. Like I have always said. If Iran and Venezuela continue to fund and enable terrorists that kill innocent civilians, they will first feel the might and power of American diplomacy and . . . if that does not work, they will feel the power of our military might as the most powerful country in the world.

    Nothing could be more clear.
  • The Truth
    I never attacked Obama - you are a liar. His talks with Hamas will be him telling them - renounce terror or else.

    Take it to the bank. Watch his inauguration speech he warned all enemies -- beware.
  • The Truth
    Whoever you are lol. I know who you are. An insignificant little man in an insignificant little country.
  • The Truth
    LOL sure Sipple. Stop wasting my time child.
  • The Truth
    I'm just trying to figure out the genesis of your inferiority complex sipple. I understand.
  • The Truth
    Scotland is a slave state that is ruled by the UK isn't it? I'm sorry you are so irrelevant in the world. That's life.
  • The Truth
    Where are you I forgot? Lithuania? Oh that's right, Scotland. LOL
  • The Truth
    Just reporting to you the unenlightened what its like to be here today in the greatest most powerful democracy the world has ever known.

    It's something you have never known - and never will know.
  • The Truth
    What a feeling to live this day in the greatest most powerful country in the world -- setting the agenda for the world. Oh what a day.
  • The Truth
    Pity the jealous and envious
    Fear them not at all
    Laugh at their irrelevance
  • The Truth
    AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

    O beautiful for spacious skies,
    For amber waves of grain,
    For purple mountain majesties
    Above the fruited plain!

    America! America!
    God shed His grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea! Overlaid pictures representing America
    O beautiful for pilgrim feet
    Whose stern impassion'd stress
    A thoroughfare for freedom beat
    Across the wilderness.

    America! America!
    God mend thine ev'ry flaw,
    Confirm thy soul in self-control,
    Thy liberty in law.

    O beautiful for heroes prov'd
    In liberating strife,
    Who more than self their country loved,
    And mercy more than life.

    America! America!
    May God thy gold refine
    Till all success be nobleness,
    And ev'ry gain divine.

    O beautiful for patriot dream
    That sees beyond the years
    Thine alabaster cities gleam
    Undimmed by human tears.

    America! America!
    God shed His grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea.
  • The Truth
    THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER

    Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?

    Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?

    And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,

    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.

    Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,

    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,

    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,

    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?

    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,

    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country should leave us no more!
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.

    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:

    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
    Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land, Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.

    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
  • The Truth
    Poll this morning shows that the United States is the most popular country in the world. Millions risk death to stream to our shores. To seek a better way of life for their children, to find freedom, free choice, the right to vote, a nation of laws and the only true colorblind country in the world. The only country where an African-American names Barack Hussein Obama could be lected President. It could never happen in the racist bastions of Europe, never.

    It's just a glorious day to be an American!
  • The Truth
    How sad on this great day where 5 billion people around the world are glued to their television screens - that some are so wired with jealousy, envy and ideology that they cannot recognize history when it's before them. Of course the fact that a few of them embrace the nazis, terrorists and communist dictators explains much of thie pathetic solitude.

    The entire world is behind Barack Obama and America. More than 90% of Europeans, Africans and Asians support him according to polls. America is and always will be the shining beacon of dmocracy and freedom for the world, a powerful force that stands down tyranny and a magnanimous advocate for freedom and justice for all.

    Yes some borderline lunatics talk on this day of santa claus and Indian funerals half a century ago. I just smile and see before me on TV the glory and the passion that is the American people letting their voices ring out. WE are America, the greatest and most powerful nation the world has ever seen. And nothing, and no one will ever make that not so.
  • The Truth
    LOL Jealous are we? In a democracy, sometimes the people go to the right -- sometimes to the left. Take your insignificant little frozen country. You had a leftie -- now you have a reactionary right winger in Harper. That's the way it goes, eh baby seal killer?

    No meltdown here! Things are exciting and looking up.
  • The Truth
    It must be terribly depressing to be freezing your ass off in an insignificant country like yours that no one cares much about -- while the eyes of 5 billion people are expected to be focused on the inauguration of Barack Obama tomorrow in the US -- the greatest democracy in the history of the world.

    You seem awfully jealous and envious -- that has always been obvious. Just the luck of birth baby seal killer. Cheer up!
  • The Truth
    Smile. Sorry Nazi baby seal killer. The US and Venezuela are not equals. The US is a de-facto policeman of the world's problems. That is part of the responsibility that comes with being the gold standard for Democracy and freedom in the world.

    The US will not do anything to Chavez. Unless he acts to destabilize and threaten US interests in our hemisphere. Then, we will do what we need to, proportionate to what his actions are. Of course first through diplomacy, the United Nations and other countries assistance.

    Just like with Iran, North Korea, Hamas - the choice is theirs!
  • The Truth
    Chaez is smart alright. Ha! As I have said before he can blab at the mouth all he wants - and do what he ants within his borders. But any dirty deeds outside Venezuela - he will pay the price.

    Period. Get it?
  • The Truth
    And now this for the two nazi communist dictator lovers here:

    Chávez this weekend said that "Obama had the same stench as President Bush".

    That Venezuelan fool is hopefully not long for this world.
  • Texasconservative:
    Kerry apologized for being mislead by Bush? He's sorry he voted to invade Iraq?
    That's all this clown, and the rest of the idiots who voted to invade Iraq (with faulty evidence)can say...SORRY? Over 4,000 dead American soldiers, and that's all this buffoon can say?!!
    I'd rather hear him, and the rest of the dupes that voted to invade is...I'M STEPPING DOWN!!
  • The Truth
    UNFORTUNATELY OBAMA WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH TERRORIST GROUPS LIKE HAMAS - WHO EVEN AFTER HAVING BEEN SOUNDLY DEFEATED IN GAZA AND BEING FORCED TO ADHERE TO A CEASE FIRE - SAY THAT WILL KEEP INFLAMING TENSIONS BY SMUGGLING WEAPONS.

    Hamas Announces - "We'll keep smuggling weapons"

    A day after Hamas announced a truce with Israel, a spokesman for Izzadin Kassam, the group's military wing, stressed that Hamas would continue to rearm, despite efforts to stop weapons smuggling into the Gaza Strip.

    "Do what you like, but the manufacturing of holy weapons is our goal," masked Hamas spokesman Abu Obeida said at a Gaza press conference on Monday.
  • The Truth
    What an awesome day and tomorrow will be even more remarkable! The greatest democracy the world has ever seen is once again showing the world how a smooth and peaceful transition of power is done.

    The problems caused by the right-wing experiment are going to soon be but a distant memory. It's truly a great time for America and since the world looks to the US for leadership -- a great time for the world as well.

    Not only is America the most powerful country in the world, we have the most resourceful, bravest and diverse populace the world has ever seen. The most glorious universities, the very best medical facilities and health care, the greatest art and film community in the world and the people who are the bravest with the most indominitable spirit.

    A free and open society where you can say whatever you want on any street corner without fear, a country of laws with a constitution that is the gold standard for the world.

    No wonder millions and millions stream to our shores.
  • The Truth
    And 300 million people in the greatest country in the world are enjoying it. There is nothing like being an American.
  • The Truth
    It must be painfully humiliating to lunatics like you who have devoted their entire lives to a fairytale only to have it be deemed meaningless. What you believe has been rejected by rational society -- you are a joke, a footnote, an irrelevant aside that people laugh at.

    Now as the greatest democrac in the world switches from a right wing to a liberal administration, effortlessly and proudly - once again America stands as a shining beacon for the world to admire and applaud.
  • The Truth
    What is certain - is that NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS ANYMORE. Just wackos like you. This is old history -- it's been debunked by intelligent people, and every single outlandish theory has been scientifically proven to be false. There is not one single solitary credible anything.

    And as I said. NO ONE CARES! No one talks about this lol!
  • The Truth
  • The Truth
    What I just said was all the substance you deserve. How's your mother?
  • The Truth
    You have got that right. Exactly right. If I ever see your Nazi loving racist biggoted ass -- I will beat the living shit out of you and gladly suffer the legal consequences.
  • The Truth
    Screw you You dare to say that? You who have no respect for the families of the 9-11 victims who have said loud and clear how much it hurts them when lunatics like you claim their own people killed them? You apologize for the Nazis who slaughtered 6 million Jews and then support the terrorists like Hamas who seek to cmmit another Holocaust today! You laud the rights of Canadians to slaughter baby seals?

    Fuck you Kanuk. You deserve nothing -- and if you don't like it. Come on down and allow me the pleasure of kicking your worthless ass.
  • The Truth
    Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Militants fired four rockets into Sderot on Sunday, hours after Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli spokesman said.
  • The Truth
    Wow you are a right wing freak! Clinton was a great president, no one cares what he did or didn't do in his personal life. None of your business if he cheated on his wife -- I mean your mother did a goat and you popped out -- you should keep your mouth shut Nazi freak.
  • The Truth
    That is bullshit. The President is in total control. He appoints the CIA director. It cannot work independently of the Federal Government. You do not know what you are talking to.

    Iran-Contra was done WITH THE EXPLICIT support of the Reagan Administration.

    The State Department and Federal Reserve are completely under the control of the President. He can fire the Secretary of State and Chairman of the Federal Reserve at will.

    You really shouldn't talk about things you have no clue about. It only embarasses you.

    I am not wrong about how the world see America. I travel extensively, I have been to Europe more than 25 times and everywhere else. The world loves America and our people they just hate Bush which most Americans do as well --- and most wish they could live here. I suggest you check into VISA requests from countries around the world its available online easily.

    We are the greatest democracy the world has ever seen. We are the bravest people, the most resilient, there is something about this country that NO ONE ELSE HAS. It just is.
  • The Truth
    Just watching the Obama train pull into Baltimore on the way to Washington. What a great day to be an American and to live in the greatest country the world has ever seen. The Bush days are already just a bad dream and the future looks bright and hopeful. What a day.
  • The Truth
    Congratulations right-wing nut job you finally revealed your true colors. Paula Jones? Jennifer Flowers? Lewinski? You must be the Rush Limbaugh of Canada with a picture of Matt Drudge in your basement.

    Clinton is saving and benefitting millions around the world. That's a fact.
  • The Truth
    Albright slaughtered Iraqi babies? I think that the responsibility for any deaths lies with the dictator Sadam Hussein who gassed his own people and whose sons raped, murdered and lived lavish despotic lives as they reigned terror on their citizens.

    The answer on WMD's is that no one knew at that point did they. You certainly didn't know, most everyone thought he did. Iraq was a huge mistake and the Bush administration was a disgrace but this was about Hillary Clinton who will be a spectacular Secretary of State.

    As far as the Global Initiative - I suggest you read his site and see what others say about it and what it actually does before you spout ignorance.
  • The Truth
    Hillary Clinton has to my knowledge never profited from war. As for Bill Clinton, his was an administration of peace; especially in terms of what he did in Northern Ireland and his efforts in the Middle East. His Clinton Global Initiative is the most prominent and successful force for peace and fighting poverty in the world today. Once again, your childish hyperbole is just that. It's really sad when uneducated and poorly informed zealots attempt to participate in intellectual political conversations that are way over their head.

    Why should she have abstained? At that time there was a reasonable school of thought that believed Iraq had WMD's and there were numerous UN resolutions warning Iraq to disarm or face consequences. May I remind you that China, Russia and France also voted for those resolutions. Hindsight is 20-20.
  • The Truth
    Hillary Clinton voted to generically give the office of the President the authority to go to war. I do not believe that she intended for Iraq to happen as it did, I do not think she knew the administration was going to manipulate and falsify evidence and deceive Congress and the American people.

    Id Iran were to attack Israel with nuclear weapons they should be destroyed. Or do you think an unprovoked attack by a state that supports terrorism against a democracy should go unpunished.

    Wait a second. I am talking to someone who is an apologist for the Nazis, thinks the US attacked itself on 9-11 and supports the slaughter of baby seals. What on earth am I wasting my time for.
  • The Truth
    How unfortunate that you call Hillary Clinton a great liberal woman public servant a war monger.
  • Linda Wenrick
    Thank you, Senator Kerry, for broaching the contrarian -- but wiser -- view on Afghanistan 'plan' within the halls of Congress. We need you as experienced counter-weight to exercise checks and balances on this administration's foreign policy, especially its Secretary of State (consider her warmongering record)
    We're fortunate to have an honorable man and vet as Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Let's let John Kerry know we've got his back!
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