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Posted by Steve Hynd on May 11th, 2009
Petraeus Admits There’s No Al Qaeda In Afghanistan Anymore – War Over

“Mission creep” is when you keep inventing new reasons for the mission continuing long after the original objective has been accomplished. Fox News reported General David Petraeus’ statement that the original UN-mandated mission for coalition forces in Afghanistan has been accomplished .

The head of U.S. Central Command said Sunday that Al Qaeda is no longer operating in Afghanistan, with its senior leadership having moved to the western region of Pakistan.

Gen. David Petraeus said affiliated groups have “enclaves and sanctuaries” in Afghanistan and that “tentacles of Al Qaeda” have touched countries throughout the Middle East and northern Africa. But he said the terrorist group has suffered” very significant losses” in recent months.

“Affiliated groups” means “anyone we say is a Taliban militant”, in the same way that the Iraqi insurgency used to be conflated into being just an Al Qaeda operation, ignoring Baadrists, Sadrists, Baathists and opportunists entirely. But Petraeus is only admitting what the US military has known since at least last November, when journalist Douglas Saunders was in Afghanistan asking pinted questions. As he wrote on his return in December:

Earlier this year, I visited several regions of Afghanistan and asked military leaders in regions held by British, Canadian and U.S. forces how many al-Qaeda fighters they were seeing within the country’s borders. In all cases, the answer was “none.”

…Afghanistan-based writer Anand Gopal is probably the most well-connected observer of the insurgent groups. He has come to the same conclusion as my Globe and Mail colleague Graeme Smith, who has conducted video interviews with dozens of Taliban fighters and found no sign of al-Qaeda sympathies.

“The Afghan rebellion remains mostly a homegrown affair,” Mr. Gopal wrote last month. “Foreign fighters – especially al-Qaeda – have little ideological influence on most of the insurgency, and most Afghans keep their distance from such outsiders. Al-Qaeda’s vision of global jihad doesn’t resonate in the rugged highlands and windswept deserts of southern Afghanistan.”

Saunders noted back then that coalition soldiers are authorized to oust the Taliban, but only insofar as those “Taliban” are the ones who are going to allow al-Qaeda to operate again. That’s just not going to happen – the Taliban in Afghanistan have as little intention of allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven again as their compatriots in Kabul do. Which means, as Saunders also pointed out, that the war should be officially over.

Article 51 of Chapter VII guarantees “the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a member of the United Nations” – in this case, the al-Qaeda attacks against the U.S. and other countries launched from within the former Taliban administration in Afghanistan. As the UN and the ISAF members have repeatedly asserted, preventing a future Sept. 11 is the raison d’être of the Afghan war. Everything else, no matter how noble, is time-filler.

…Al-Qaeda is gone, and not likely to return. To the extent that it is still around, it’s because we’re attracting it.

If both those statements are true, then no matter how ugly it looks, the war’s over

There is no longer any rationale for the current UN mandate for the occupation of Afghanistan. The US military, the Bush administration and now the Obama administration are engaging in mission creep beyond that rationale; firstly by invoking the “you bought it, you own fix it” Pottery Barn deception – the real Pottery barn rule always was “you broke it, you pay for fixing/replacing it and get the f**k out of our store” – and by redefining the battlefield as “Af/Pak” so that the UN mandate can be, entirely illegitimately, stretched into sovereign Pakistan. Petraeus admits to the latter mission creep too:

Still, he [Petraeus] said he believes Usama bin Laden and his No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri remain in charge of the terrorist network.

“They surface periodically. We see communications that they send out,” Petraeus said.

Though Petraeus said nobody can provide an accurate location for either terrorist, he said Al Qaeda senior leadership clearly is rooted in the border region of western Pakistan.

“There’s no question that Al Qaeda’s senior leadership has been there and has been in operation for years,” Petraeus said.

But aggressive military action of any kind against Pakistan should require a whole new UN Mandate, as should a continuing occupation of Afghanistan now that Al Qaeda has been ousted there. Those new mandated missions also require the UN, not the Obama administration, to clearly set out conditions for their fulfillment. In the absence of those, it’s time to bring the troops home because by the Commander of CentCom’s own admission the legitimate war is over. Instead, Obama and his COIN-loving liberal interventionists are expecting the now-illegal occupation to extend another ten or fifteen years – at a cost in excess of a trillion dollars and with no benchmarks for success or exit strategies in evidence.

(Also on Newshoggers)

  • Karuna
    “If we kill the terrorist father, the son may become a terrorist; the more we kill, the more terrorists we may create. That has been the course of history.” - Thich Nhat Hanh

    http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/intervention...

    America, alone, is less than 5% of the world population, we consume 25% of it’s resources, we contribute to 30% of it’s pollution, we have 25% of the world’s prisoners, we have higher homicide, divorce, abortion, and obesity rates than any other nation, and our health care and education system is one of the worst out of all the developed countries.
    That is a failed system.

    When will we apologize and admit that ours is not a culture that the world can adapt?

    The first step is admitting we have a sickness, then we will have the capacity to better our ways.

    It seems the west has undermined the Muslim world on many occassions.
  • texasconservative
    David Barstow, of the New York Times for his investigation into retired military personnel working on TV and radio, that were co-opted by the Pentagon to make the case for war in Iraq, and for disclosing the fact that these sell-outs also had undisclosed ties with private companies they benefited from. Good job!!
    But, where, and how does General Petraeus fit into this sordid affair?! You have made a ridiculous connection between General Petraeus and these idiots on the "ASSUMPTION", that because he's a Military General, he is therefor; guilty of being a traitor?!! Is this idiocy the sum-total of your undisputed facts?!! Was he singled out and investigated for this type of behavior?!! If so, give us the site at which we can read the evidence for ourselves!!
  • Craig_Sipple1
    Your military is out of control, thats how its connected. On another thread you were boring me to death with your constitution/bill of rights line.... I suggest you read them.

    Anything for me on Gen. Petraeus? or do you think working against an elected commander in cheif on a mandate from the American people is just fine? Thats trechory TC, plain and simple... thats treason. In a country of laws that man would be before a tribunal for that crap. The media says nothing though.

    It amases me that the media can tell you who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. Jeebuz christ man... do your own thinking.

    Source:http://www.counterpunch.org/porter02022009.html

    Source: http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_c...

    Source: http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_c...
  • Craig_Sipple1
    Anyhoo... what is this "Obimbo" crap? I am one of Obamas harshist critics but I havn't the foggyist what that means... you could put that up on a placcard and stand at one of your tea party rallies and look just as mental as the rest. I think your after "the truths" job.

    p.s and this relates to the Pentagon as well...do you know who won the Pulitzer Prise for investigative reporting this year?... dont you think its unusual that there has been a TOTAL media blackout in the U.S corporate media on it this year? Look it up TC.
  • Craig_Sipple1
    It seems you are one of those people who when shown facts that upset your fluffy view of the world your mind closes down in self defense.

    Look at my souces again ( sorry its not FOX news ) , if you fail to see then I cant help you.

    Sorry did I offend you :( Your a big boy now... "manly" I think was the way you refered to yourself, stop being so sensitive. Me thinks you can dish it but you cant take it. I was just having some fun, and to be honest Texas doesn't concern me.
  • texasconservative
    No... Mr.Simple, I asked you for documented fact, and you give me unsubstantiated innuendo?!! Where the hell are you getting your news, Moveon.org?!!
    No...Obimbo's no fool...just the people that voted for that socialist!! And people who rely on innuendo, and lies without the slightest regard for the truth...Mr. Simple!!
    You slandered an American without one hint of truth to back-up your repugnant accusations, and instead of putting forth anything that could substantiate your miserable lies, you simply stated more lies and put them forth as fact?!! And, as if that isn't bad enough, you resort to a childish juvenile attack of the State I live in?!! Are you kidding me??!!
    Again, Mr. Simpleton, site your documented fact so we can all find, and read it for ourselves.
    If you can't put up...Mr. Simplton...well, you know the rest.
  • texasconservative
    There you go again Mr. Simple-ass?!! Stating your worthless, unsubstantiated BS as though it were fact!! The only person on their knees are socialist idiots, like you, who try and tear down people your flat-out are afraid of.
    Why don't you give us proof this man is a traitor! Show us your undeniable facts!! Give us the a list of responsible, objective resources that corroborate your juvenile statement!!
    You really are becoming blow-hard bore, Mr. Simple!! The next time you want to tear down an man of integrity...DON'T... it makes you look the fool!!
  • Craig_Sipple1
    What do you call it when your elected "commander in cheif" calls Petraeus in for instruction and then later that evening and every day for four days straight Petraeus goes on a media tour to lobby against his orders?

    Oh sorry did you not realise that?... didn't tell you of this on FOX news? You may not like Obama but he was elected by your countrymen, Petraeus is an partisan asshole - a bad soldier. This is why Obama has sent this jerk to Afghanistan, so that he can fuck him over... you can say what you like about Obama, but he is nobodies fool.

    By the way, I dont care what I look like, I am not insecure enough to seek approval from anyone let alone a spitefull, childish, ignoramus devoid of human empathy from the oversized kitty litter tray of Texas... I call it like I see it, and I am not impressed by this guys snappy uniform and medals... learn to form your own thoughts TC, you dont have to believe all the propaganda bullshit you are fed day by day, like the nonsense about this guy.


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    Source:http://www.counterpunch.org/porter02022009.html

    Source: http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_c...

    Source: http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_c...

    What do you call that TC?.... democracy?
  • WillieCoyote
    It takes time for governments to make a turn without loosing credibility.

    In case of US, well ... US lost its credibility long time ago.

    Among other things ...
  • vlhamilton
    So tell me, if there are no more Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, why does President Obama recommend sending 21,000 more troops and $94 Billion more to that country to fund this "war to get the
    Al Qaeda terrorists"? I think that the grassroots Peace activists need to step up and say "NO" to a man who we elected to bring CHANGE to Washington D.C. and use diplomacy first and foremost BEFORE military action. More drones bombing villages and villagers who "may be terrorists" and troop escalations will only increase the violence and more innocent people will die. We must try to stop this MADNESS.
  • Craig_Sipple1
    By the way, this guy is a prick. It seems modern day U.S army is just like American politics... you have to get to the top on your knees. This guy is guilty of treason against democracy by personaly lobbying against an elected president to keep an illeagle war going to serve Neocons who were never elected and serve the interests of a forien government.

    Traitor.
  • Craig_Sipple1
    Al Quaeda??... what nonsense!
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